New iMac... thoughts?

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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by Maggieo » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:37 am

matbard wrote:
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Beware of Big Sur!!! It will break all sorts of stuff, even Apple applications.

I know the hard way.
No, not at all.

BS works for me with all of my pro audio apps.
I had to pony up for a new version of Logic, and it broke all of my photo applications. And there's no way I'm doing Adobe's subscription plan, that's just extortion.
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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by øøøøøøø » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:25 pm

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Also as someone else observes, if you are making music at home there is probably a threshold for how capable your machine should be, beyond which it is just a waste of power.
Agreed, this is a good point.

With the possible exception of edge cases (tons and tons of processor-intensive sample libraries and virtual instruments), the computing demands exerted by music production workflows are easily handled by even fairly basic hardware in 2021.

We just bought a Mini (installed in a 1U chassis with PCI slots) for our Studio B (to replace our aging cheese-grater Mac Pro). This is a modest 32 I/O setup running (mostly) Pro Tools (via a single Burl mothership chassis over digilink), and so far there have been no issues.

An acquaintance who is in the market for a new studio computer was recently complaining about the cost of the current Mac Pro. But to me, we're not the audience for the Mac Pro anymore. We just don't need that kind of power.

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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by Nick and the Noise » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:54 pm

BS works for me with all of my pro audio apps.
Well, Apple Silicon (M1) does break a lot things. I have a new MacBook Air for work related stuff, but I'm still waiting for a lot of drivers and plugins before I can move my audio stuff from my old creaky 2014 Air. A lot of stuff does work, but runs in emulation mode. Not ideal.

The new iMac? Likes: colours, M1 is a beast. Dislikes: small screen, no extension slots, separate monitor please.

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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by stevejamsecono » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:25 am

øøøøøøø wrote:
Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:25 pm
mediocreplayer wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:24 pm
Also as someone else observes, if you are making music at home there is probably a threshold for how capable your machine should be, beyond which it is just a waste of power.
Agreed, this is a good point.

With the possible exception of edge cases (tons and tons of processor-intensive sample libraries and virtual instruments), the computing demands exerted by music production workflows are easily handled by even fairly basic hardware in 2021.

We just bought a Mini (installed in a 1U chassis with PCI slots) for our Studio B (to replace our aging cheese-grater Mac Pro). This is a modest 32 I/O setup running (mostly) Pro Tools (via a single Burl mothership chassis over digilink), and so far there have been no issues.

An acquaintance who is in the market for a new studio computer was recently complaining about the cost of the current Mac Pro. But to me, we're not the audience for the Mac Pro anymore. We just don't need that kind of power.
Mac Mini does seem like the way to go for this stuff. My uncle works in animation and his guys all use them right now. My aging AIO iMac is due for an upgrade by year's end, so I may look into doing this myself.
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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by burpgun » Mon May 03, 2021 11:53 am

I'm a Mac user who got on the boat in 1995, so I've been through 68K to PPC to Intel, from OS 7.5 through the OSX transition. Been through a few software regimes, once paid a discounted $1K for Logic and have been using both Reason and Live since V1.

I'm holding the line at Mojave on my 2017 iMac and my set up works fine. I keep looking over all this M1 stuff and I see a lot of promise but painfully slow software updates. Live, for instance, is popular and I suspect the company has resources, and they haven't updated for M1. The Arturia stuff doesn't appear to have updated either. It's all well and good to point to Rosetta, but when I sit down to work, I don't want to wonder if the gear will function and I don't want to troubleshoot. I'm going to hold off as long as I can before I update and fortunately most of the Apple gear I've owned over the years keeps plugging. I gave my friend a fully functional 2008 Powerbook last year and he put it to use, so I'm confident my iMac will hang in there, and I'm really hoping the software guys get their stuff in order.

I do understand Apple making the shift. Intel just seems to be fully stuck in the mud these days. No interest in anything Linux related and have no idea what's going on with Microsoft these days. My day job was still on Windows 7 before they allowed folks to have Macs if they wanted, so I've never so much as seen whatever version of Windows is current.

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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by snarf » Mon May 10, 2021 4:02 pm

If you get an iMac just make sure you use decent sleep and power saver settings. They probably improved a lot since I had one back in 2012-ish but I'm so traumatized from owning one I can't even look at an iMac.

Logic is one of my favorite apps of all time. Garageband got in me in to recording music so it was a natural next step.

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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by Singlebladepickup » Mon May 10, 2021 4:40 pm

There's a device, I think called Luna or something, you can use any mac or iPad as a second or main display. If I had an iPad that would make it much easier to go with Mac mini

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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by seenoevil II » Mon May 10, 2021 7:00 pm

Sheesh! I can't believe I'm still stuck trying to make the call between the new iMac and the M1 Mac Mini. It's really frustrating because Apple refuses to sell a completed product, so whatever I get, there's going to be an additional $350-400 expenditure on a thunderbolt hub and some external SSD's.

The entire Apple line up is indistinguishable beyond their form factor right now. Every current Mac product including the iPad pro is an M1 chip, with an 8 core GPU, configurable to 16GB of RAM. The only choice is if you want that in a thin laptop, a less thin laptop, a laptop with a touch screen that you have buy a keyboard separately, a giant tablet on a stand, or in a tiny aluminum box that comes with nothing.

When I configure the iMac and the Mac mini to what I'd get (526 GB and 16 RAM), there's $775 between their price. I have the peripherals form my current iMac, and an old (2004) monitor kicking around. I'm stuck on whether that 4.5K (why?) display, webcam, and dolby speakers are worth that extra dough that could easily be a used DRRI or a Shure SM7 or new brakes for my car.

Anyway, I've been reading this thread for more insights, and I like all of them. Coming from Brad, I feel confident in my instinct that music production doesn't really require all that much computing power (barring a session with 100+ VST tracks with 18 automated plug-ins each).

I hate these kinds of decisions, the ones where the two options really are equivalent, but ever so slightly different. Thank goodness I only have to make them every 10 or so years.
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Re: New iMac... thoughts?

Post by matbard » Mon May 10, 2021 11:08 pm

iPad Pro and MacBook Air M1s have a disabled GPU core to cope with battery duration and lack of forced cooling.

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