Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by devnulljp » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:11 am

shadowplay wrote:I noticed that any arguments against this post skirted round the ethical component. Seriously, it should be a source of shame to buy Chinese made guitars or Chinese amde anything unless there is literally no alternative. Even if you couldn't care less about the conditions the workers endure you should care how this erodes the US domestic guitar production. It's all part of the thin wedge that sees jobs move overseas to the lowest bidder.
Yes that's kinda what I was getting at but didn't want to get into the standard Wal-Mart argument as that always causes bad feelings on all sides. I agree wholeheartedly with what you said though -- offshoring your slavery is bad for ethical reasons and then offshoring your economy is bad for reasons of self interest.

EDIT: Yup, I see that can of worms has already opened.

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by blueavenger » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:37 am

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Want to hear something funny? Over on the gear page there are now people complaining about counterfeit Tokais! No not the Tokais made for Tokai in China, but cheap fake counterfeits of the guitars that are made for Tokai in China! :D That tickles me no end! The point of this is be very very careful when buying a "too good to be true" Tokai. It's every bit as dangerous as buying a too good to be true Gibby!
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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by nwordjim » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:04 am

blueavenger wrote:Worms can be dangerous Image

Want to hear something funny? Over on the gear page there are now people complaining about counterfeit Tokais! No not the Tokais made for Tokai in China, but cheap fake counterfeits of the guitars that are made for Tokai in China! :D That tickles me no end! The point of this is be very very careful when buying a "too good to be true" Tokai. It's every bit as dangerous as buying a too good to be true Gibby!
Yeah and people were saying the same thing about Tokais back in the 1970s. You're always gonna find someone who gets bent out of shape by one thing or another. The sad thing is allot of the wood used in guitars is basically raped from Africa. I love how people get hoiler than thou.

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by shadowplay » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:15 am

nwordjim wrote:The sad thing is allot of the wood used in guitars is basically raped from Africa. I love how people get hoiler than thou.
You might be on to something, why not move the guitar factories to Africa and save the fuel used shipping the rapings? Forget paying people cash, those Africans will work for some rice and a blanket.

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by nwordjim » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:20 am

shadowplay wrote:
nwordjim wrote:The sad thing is allot of the wood used in guitars is basically raped from Africa. I love how people get hoiler than thou.
You might be on to something, why not move the guitar factories to Africa and save the fuel used shipping the rapings? Forget paying people cash, those Africans will work for some rice and a blanket.

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Oh change the record please. You're just trolling now. How old are you, honestly?

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by blueavenger » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:39 am

nwordjim wrote:
shadowplay wrote:
nwordjim wrote:The sad thing is allot of the wood used in guitars is basically raped from Africa. I love how people get hoiler than thou.
You might be on to something, why not move the guitar factories to Africa and save the fuel used shipping the rapings? Forget paying people cash, those Africans will work for some rice and a blanket.

D

Oh change the record please. You're just trolling now. How old are you, honestly?
Guy with a username like yours says "what?"
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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by nwordjim » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:11 pm

blueavenger wrote:

Guy with a username like yours says "what?"
What?

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by blueavenger » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:29 pm

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by crazyzeke » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:45 pm

This thread is a hoot. And possibly a holler; it'll have to run a little longer before that decision can be made. :D
nwordjim wrote:Oh change the record please. You're just trolling now. How old are you, honestly?
You're accusing Shad of trolling because he's better at debating than you? That's a pretty lame argument. He's actually staying on topic as far as I can see it and is being polite and reasonable.

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by Soochdaddy » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:12 pm

blueavenger wrote:Exactly!Image
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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by nwordjim » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:06 pm

Soochdaddy wrote:
blueavenger wrote:Exactly!Image
LOLZ!

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Yeah because that's exactly what happened you tool.

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by Soochdaddy » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:28 pm

nwordjim wrote: Yeah because that's exactly what happened you tool.
Oh, come on now. No need for name calling. I have the right to dig on a good ol' fashioned Wayne's World reference and have a laugh, no?

Speaking of name calling, I believe you had posted this just a few back:
nwordjim wrote: How old are you, honestly?
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Take it easy, man. Good luck finding a nice Tokai... take your time to find a good one that suits you.
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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by koreasilver » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:06 am

shadowplay wrote:
nwordjim wrote:The sad thing is allot of the wood used in guitars is basically raped from Africa. I love how people get hoiler than thou.
You might be on to something, why not move the guitar factories to Africa and save the fuel used shipping the rapings? Forget paying people cash, those Africans will work for some rice and a blanket.

D
The Africans would probably get much more from this compared to how the Western world still continues to rip them off on their natural resources. Calling Tokai out is fucking ridiculous to begin with. Tokai is a large company that pays their employees probably just as well as regular Gibson employees, and their product has the same quality if not better than Gibson for a better price. The only ripoffs here is Gibson with their failed lawsuits against other companies and using illegal wood. Buying from Gibson is supporting a company that sells products of lesser quality for a higher price while engaging in more illegal activities than their superior imitators.

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by shadowplay » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:27 am

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Re: Are Chinese made Tokai guitars crap?

Post by UlricvonCatalyst » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:33 am

shadowplay wrote:Image

Who needs a Rolls Royce Phantom? My beautiful Geely GE is superior in every way.

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Do you drive it with the fog-lights on all the time?

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