Re: Hardware recommendations?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:05 pm
The Descendant Companion bridge is available in 12” FYI.
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Thanks for the info.marqueemoon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:05 pmThe Descendant Companion bridge is available in 12” FYI.
I believe that both the Fender AVRI and the Fender Japan trems have the Pat. # on them, so I don't think that's a useful feature to identify "good" from "bad"... unless there's some old piece of lore that I'm not familiar with?GuitarsnGravel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:54 amPeople mention the AVRI as a good option.
Is it best to avoid the Fender trems that have the patent# on them?
Thanks for the links. I do not understand what the differences are. Metal type?JackFawkes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:25 amI believe that both the Fender AVRI and the Fender Japan trems have the Pat. # on them, so I don't think that's a useful feature to identify "good" from "bad"... unless there's some old piece of lore that I'm not familiar with?
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I've not had an issue with import taxes from staytrem to the US, but if you're in Europe, ymmv.UlricvonCatalyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:53 amAlthough they ship internationally, it's probably more of a best option if you're in the UK. Otherwise import taxes will jack the price up a bit.GuitarsnGravel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:45 pmI've been reading about Staytrem, it seems like a good option.UlricvonCatalyst wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:13 am
The Staytrem bridge is a good alternative which should 'cure' the low E string slippage that can occur if using the tremolo with light-ish strings.
As for the Schaller roller bridge, it's not a common modification, possibly because it doesn't work straight out of the box with JM/Jag/Mustang bridge thimbles, but if you can make it work for you, why not.
The MIJ tremolo is generally considered slightly inferior. I'm not sure if the metal is thinner or an inferior grade, but the main bugbear seems to be the spring, which some find is not as stiff as the AVRI one. Some have been known to simply upgrade the spring rather than the whole unit.GuitarsnGravel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:06 pmThanks for the links. I do not understand what the differences are. Metal type?
Is the AV the same as the AVRI? It is a bit confusing. As for the patent#, I didn't see that on an AVRI guitar image I zoomed in on, but I don't know much at all when it comes to the JM tremolo.
The Mastery and the Decedent do away with the lock, is there a reason?
I'm not 100% certain, but from the research I did when I was picking my trem, the terms "American Vintage" and "American Vintage Reissue" are mostly just interchangeable marketing terms that Fender has used without any real clear delineation.GuitarsnGravel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:06 pmIs the AV the same as the AVRI? It is a bit confusing.JackFawkes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:25 amI believe that both the Fender AVRI and the Fender Japan trems have the Pat. # on them, so I don't think that's a useful feature to identify "good" from "bad"... unless there's some old piece of lore that I'm not familiar with?
this is the only reason I went with a Mastery on my harvester. I choose mustang or staytrem any other time.JackFawkes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:02 pmThe flattest radius that Staytrem offers is 9.5" so your D and G would probably feel a little high on that 12" radius neck with that bridge, wouldn't it?GuitarsnGravel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:41 pm12" Radiusmarqueemoon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:25 amWhat radius is the fretboard on the neck? That’s going to determine your bridge options.
Wanting a close bridge match to a 12" radius neck that will work well with the offset trem does limit your options somewhat. But offsets and TOM-style bridges just don't go together for me - best avoided if possible, especially for trem users. The trem requires the strings to change length across the bridge location, and a fixed (high string-saddle friction) TOM is not designed to accommodate that (why Fender puts TOMs on some offsets has always puzzled; it is an out-of-date 'solution' used by techs decades ago who didn't really understand the extant rocking bridges). Leo Fender designed the rocking bridge/trem to work together. A fixed roller-TOM like the Wilkinson-style is an viable compromise mainly for a guitar that came with a TOM, to reduce string-saddle friction in a fixed bridge. Trying to make a TOM rock is a rarely contemplated option (ie almost certainly bad). Putting a rocking bridge (Mustang- or vintage-style) into TOM body bushings (or on top of TOM posts) is possible but again mainly considered for a guitar that came with a TOM (that doesn't warrant wood surgery for rocking-bridge thimbles).GuitarsnGravel wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:49 pmThe Schaller or the StewMac roller bridge are the way I'm going to go. Schallers allow for string width adjustment, which is a nice feature and their build quality is top notch. They have a 14" radius while the Stew Mac is 12". I've built around 10 partscasters and I'm not afraid to experiment. I'm not sure if I can get the bridge to rock, hoping the rollers will allow the arm to return to pitch.
Update: Ordering the WIlkinson roller bridge. I'm concerned with the strings hitting the edge of the bridge on the Schaller and the StewMac units. The Wilki is cheap, a third the price of the Schaller.
The MIJ are definitely inferior in a few ways. Natably the spring, as mentioned is a different tension (thinner spring stock) and the actual main plate itself is noticeably thinner steel (the same goes for the ones on Jaguar and Mustang control plates too). The chrome plating is also massively inferior and rusts/tarnishes very easily. The MIJ that came off my 2008 had rusty bits creeping through after just a few years yet my 60s ones are still in WAY better condition. The AVRIs seem to be much more resistant too, with a nice hard plating.UlricvonCatalyst wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:05 amThe MIJ tremolo is generally considered slightly inferior. I'm not sure if the metal is thinner or an inferior grade, but the main bugbear seems to be the spring, which some find is not as stiff as the AVRI one. Some have been known to simply upgrade the spring rather than the whole unit.