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Best Jaguar wiring harnesses/kits out there?

Post by John Cassady » Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:34 pm

Hi,
I'm looking for a good quality wiring kit or harness for my current jaguar project

Here is what I've found so far:
https://reverb.com/fr/item/37414602-fen ... capacitors
https://toneshapers.com/products/tonesh ... ba75&_ss=r (it's been sold out for a while now :/)
https://www.hoaglandcustom.com/product/ ... g-harness/
https://gunstreet.co/products/gunstreet ... ng-harness
https://www.homeoftone.co.uk/collection ... -harnesses (it looked great but unfortunately the jaguar harnesses are not available anymore :( )

Are there other offers that I'missed? Any advice or suggestion? Have you worked with any of these?
I'm open to all suggestions!
Thanks!

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Post by MrJagsquire » Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:17 am

Of the ones still available for a Jaguar I think the reverb and Hoagland ones look nicest made to me; the Gunstreet one I'm less sure about for some reason (plus it looks like it needs some soldering to finish it, which defeats the object?).

While nobody can see them, the purple (and white) cable ties jar a bit to my eyes, so the Gunstreet one does look slightly better with the heatshrink I guess, but that's purely a cosmetic issue and just my personal take. Of course the main thing is whether it gives you the right options for caps and pot values to suit your needs/taste? I've always made my own (I used older style black lacing cord to hold it together), plus I've experimented with different pot and cap values to find my 'Goldilocks' option.

Of course if you haven't got a harness at all at the moment, then you've got to start somewhere, but it's an expensive way to experiment unless you've already played a guitar with the values you plan to buy (and the same pickups).

Good luck with the project. 8)

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Post by John Cassady » Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:43 am

Thanks for the reply!
Of the ones still available for a Jaguar I think the reverb and Hoagland ones look nicest made to me; the Gunstreet one I'm less sure about for some reason (plus it looks like it needs some soldering to finish it, which defeats the object?).
I don't mind some soldering, I might even go a kit instead of a harness of the price difference is consequential.
Of course if you haven't got a harness at all at the moment, then you've got to start somewhere, but it's an expensive way to experiment unless you've already played a guitar with the values you plan to buy (and the same pickups).
I don't have anything but hardware at this point, so a complete harness would save me quite a lot of time.
Of course the main thing is whether it gives you the right options for caps and pot values to suit your needs/taste?
I'm essentially going for an AV65 wiring, nothing too fancy or out of the ordinary.

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Post by timtam » Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:16 pm

Note that if you have tunnels rather than (surface) channels between cavities you'll either need to specify that for harnesses which offer that option (ie those wires won't be soldered as supplied) or de-solder/re-solder harnesses that only come all-soldered.

There is at least one that you missed. I'm loath to suggest them due to their recent history of constructing counterfeit expensive capacitors (see TPG story below). Also their marketing blurb on the sonic effects of a new harness stretches the bounds of truth in advertising.
https://920dcustom.com/products/920d-cu ... gh-vintage
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index ... s.2414601/
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Post by John Cassady » Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:26 am

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Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:16 pm
Note that if you have tunnels rather than (surface) channels between cavities you'll either need to specify that for harnesses which offer that option (ie those wires won't be soldered as supplied) or de-solder/re-solder harnesses that only come all-soldered.

There is at least one that you missed. I'm loath to suggest them due to their recent history of constructing counterfeit expensive capacitors (see TPG story below). Also their marketing blurb on the sonic effects of a new harness stretches the bounds of truth in advertising.
https://920dcustom.com/products/920d-cu ... gh-vintage
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index ... s.2414601/
Ouch, that's not a good look...

Actually, I did see that one but I forgot to include it in my list because it seems quite hard to get in Europe (I forgot to mention that I'm based in France, so shipping cost from the US can be a bit crazy sometimes, it really depends on the company, but CME forst instance would ship it for almost $100...)

I'll have tunnels, most likely, but I can live with desoldering a few wires on a full harness, it's not an issue.

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Post by scole » Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:20 pm

I’m making a Johnny Marr Jag for a 70s CV Jag base and I ordered a wiring harness from Wainwright Custom Guitars on Reverb. I haven’t finished my project so I can’t say that it does what it’s supposed to but certainly the quality of the product matches the listing photos.

He offers a lot of customization options with his work so you could probably reach out and ask about what you want [in fact, he has a listing for making a harness for any guitar].

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Post by John Cassady » Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:34 pm

scole wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:20 pm
I’m making a Johnny Marr Jag for a 70s CV Jag base and I ordered a wiring harness from Wainwright Custom Guitars on Reverb. I haven’t finished my project so I can’t say that it does what it’s supposed to but certainly the quality of the product matches the listing photos.

He offers a lot of customization options with his work so you could probably reach out and ask about what you want [in fact, he has a listing for making a harness for any guitar].
Thanks, I'll get in touch with him!

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Post by John Cassady » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:10 pm

Hi,
The description on this harness reads .33uf and .1uf for the capacitors.
https://reverb.com/fr/item/11676737-fen ... ntage-spec
Capacitors in Jaguars usually read .003μF and .01μF, right?
Can anyone who is better-versed in electronics than I am tell me if there is a difference or if it might be a mistake?
Thanks!

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Post by timtam » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:32 am

John Cassady wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:10 pm
Hi,
The description on this harness reads .33uf and .1uf for the capacitors.
https://reverb.com/fr/item/11676737-fen ... ntage-spec
Capacitors in Jaguars usually read .003μF and .01μF, right?
Can anyone who is better-versed in electronics than I am tell me if there is a difference or if it might be a mistake?
Thanks!
Your values are correct. Maybe a typo in the reverb description ? From the pics it's hard to tell what value the caps are. Although the rhythm circuit cap does look like 0.1 (uF ?).

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Post by MayTheFuzzBeWithYou » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:08 am

I came to recommend customworldguitarparts… but they seem to be out of their US wiring kits… (I believe they shop their stuff from eyguitarmusic (china) or from the same supplier and sell it with a slight upcharge - but I was never disappointed so far) - if you stay below 120€ you could also buy from eyguitarmusic.

Anyhow, here is Emma Music from France - so you might even save on shipping. They also sell some of the same parts…but they were the only ones who also had the Jaguar Mute in stock when I got mine.

So far I’ve never bought a kit or a pre-soldered harness… I always buy individual parts (as I‘m always changing something - or at least I believe it is cheaper for me that way. That toneshapers kit is probably unbeatable pricewise…
But with the countless hours I put into soldering (the 4 way switch series parallel wiring is still an end boss for me) a harness might be a good idea for me too. 😅

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Post by John Cassady » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:59 am

timtam wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:32 am
John Cassady wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:10 pm
Hi,
The description on this harness reads .33uf and .1uf for the capacitors.
https://reverb.com/fr/item/11676737-fen ... ntage-spec
Capacitors in Jaguars usually read .003μF and .01μF, right?
Can anyone who is better-versed in electronics than I am tell me if there is a difference or if it might be a mistake?
Thanks!
Your values are correct. Maybe a typo in the reverb description ? From the pics it's hard to tell what value the caps are. Although the rhythm circuit cap does look like 0.1 (uF ?).

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I contacted the seller, who replied "So basically in the world of electronics there’s no difference.

.003uf and .1uf are the same rating the as .33uf and .1uf

Manufacturers use alternative specs."

He seems to know what his doing and he has excellent reviews, but I don't know what to think about that capacitors thing :-[

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Post by John Cassady » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:01 am

MayTheFuzzBeWithYou wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:08 am
I came to recommend customworldguitarparts… but they seem to be out of their US wiring kits… (I believe they shop their stuff from eyguitarmusic (china) or from the same supplier and sell it with a slight upcharge - but I was never disappointed so far) - if you stay below 120€ you could also buy from eyguitarmusic.

Anyhow, here is Emma Music from France - so you might even save on shipping. They also sell some of the same parts…but they were the only ones who also had the Jaguar Mute in stock when I got mine.

So far I’ve never bought a kit or a pre-soldered harness… I always buy individual parts (as I‘m always changing something - or at least I believe it is cheaper for me that way. That toneshapers kit is probably unbeatable pricewise…
But with the countless hours I put into soldering (the 4 way switch series parallel wiring is still an end boss for me) a harness might be a good idea for me too. 😅
Thanks, I did buy from both of them in the past, very good experience with both. I'll check them out again.

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Post by timtam » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:53 pm

John Cassady wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:59 am

I contacted the seller, who replied "So basically in the world of electronics there’s no difference.

.003uf and .1uf are the same rating the as .33uf and .1uf

Manufacturers use alternative specs."

He seems to know what his doing and he has excellent reviews, but I don't know what to think about that capacitors thing :-[
His statement "in the world of electronics" is not correct. ".003uf and .1uf are the same rating the as .33uf and .1uf" doesn't even really make logical sense as a sentence. Unless he misunderstood the question and is using "rating" in some other way (eg voltage rating).

But without wishing to make assumptions or sound unkind, making guitar harnesses is not necessarily an electronic endeavour. It can be - some people doing it may have electronics training. But it doesn't have to be more than a craft. And obviously you're mostly just following a known wiring diagram (or in this case not following it ;) ).

The only way in which he might be somewhat correct regarding cap values for some players is that the cap in a (lead or rhythm) tone circuit does not really kick in until the second half of the pot's range. The low pass rolloff in the first half of its range is really due to the pot. So for most players who don't spend much time in that lower half, they would rarely hear much difference between common cap values.
https://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/threa ... capacitors

But use of 0.33 uF in the strangle switch rather than the 0.0033 uF that has been used for 60 years would almost certainly be heard. Whether you might prefer it that way would be subjective.

So in short, if his "Fender Jaguar 62 Wiring Harness - Pro Wired USA Vintage Spec" jaguar circuit is indeed wired with the cap values he quotes, then it's not really a 1962 jaguar circuit (see Fender's 1962 wiring diagram above), which is unchanged since then.
"I just knew I wanted to make a sound that was the complete opposite of a Les Paul, and that’s pretty much a Jaguar." Rowland S. Howard.

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Post by John Cassady » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:37 am

timtam wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:53 pm
John Cassady wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:59 am

I contacted the seller, who replied "So basically in the world of electronics there’s no difference.

.003uf and .1uf are the same rating the as .33uf and .1uf

Manufacturers use alternative specs."

He seems to know what his doing and he has excellent reviews, but I don't know what to think about that capacitors thing :-[
His statement "in the world of electronics" is not correct. ".003uf and .1uf are the same rating the as .33uf and .1uf" doesn't even really make logical sense as a sentence. Unless he misunderstood the question and is using "rating" in some other way (eg voltage rating).

But without wishing to make assumptions or sound unkind, making guitar harnesses is not necessarily an electronic endeavour. It can be - some people doing it may have electronics training. But it doesn't have to be more than a craft. And obviously you're mostly just following a known wiring diagram (or in this case not following it ;) ).

The only way in which he might be somewhat correct regarding cap values for some players is that the cap in a (lead or rhythm) tone circuit does not really kick in until the second half of the pot's range. The low pass rolloff in the first half of its range is really due to the pot. So for most players who don't spend much time in that lower half, they would rarely hear much difference between common cap values.
https://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/threa ... capacitors

But use of 0.33 uF in the strangle switch rather than the 0.0033 uF that has been used for 60 years would almost certainly be heard. Whether you might prefer it that way would be subjective.

So in short, if his "Fender Jaguar 62 Wiring Harness - Pro Wired USA Vintage Spec" jaguar circuit is indeed wired with the cap values he quotes, then it's not really a 1962 jaguar circuit (see Fender's 1962 wiring diagram above), which is unchanged since then.
Thanks, that's what I was thinking, what you're saying here confirms my initial thought

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