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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Steadyriot. » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:28 pm

Can you maybe post a picture of the parts you're working with?
"It's a Telecaster I'm fixing, with it's typical bridge. Though not fully typical" and "No, the bridge pickup is not a regular Telecaster. And the current bridge is bigger, using mounting holes a regular bridge won't either align to or hide" is cryptic as fuck.

That being said, would a Robert Smith kinda tension bar fit?
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:14 pm

Steadyriot. wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:28 pm
Can you maybe post a picture of the parts you're working with?
"It's a Telecaster I'm fixing, with it's typical bridge. Though not fully typical" and "No, the bridge pickup is not a regular Telecaster. And the current bridge is bigger, using mounting holes a regular bridge won't either align to or hide" is cryptic as fuck.
Ah yes, sorry, didn't realize. :fp: That's the issue with forums/internet, you post photos here and there, write up some details in one place and some in others, and makes you forget not everyone as the whole picture. :D Sorry for the quality though, I had to find what I had on my phone (I've posted better shots of the body on OSG months/years ago, but can't find them at the moment). First is when I got the vibrato:

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I can move it closer to the bridge, but I don't think it'll be enough. I have a bit of space between the two though, so that's why I'm optimistic a tension bar of sorts can work. The bridge is not the final one though, I had one made to similar dimensions, but more fitting to my needs (hence why I don't want to change it); following pictures are the final bridge and vibrato, but didn't have the guitar at hand at the time, so it requires a bit of imagination. :whistle:

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Steadyriot. wrote:
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That being said, would a Robert Smith kinda tension bar fit?
https://www.huort-ch.com/pictures/repai ... _wide1.jpg
This was actually my very first idea, but couldn't find replicas anywhere. I've messaged makers on Reverb and elsewhere, it was either a no, a "it'll cost $200" (which was a no from me), or no reply. But if I end up 3D printing it, it'll be the main inspiration.
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by timtam » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:21 pm

Finding an inexpensive version of the Robert Smith bar is just a matter of finding an inexpensive brass cupboard or kitchen drawer handle (or steel if you prefer). ;)
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:21 pm

Ah, found an older one on Imgur:

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Almost original state, not yet current state. But you get the idea.
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:27 pm

timtam wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:21 pm
Finding an inexpensive version of the Robert Smith bar is just a matter of finding an inexpensive brass cupboard handle (or steel if you prefer). ;)
Ah, you don't know how much time I've spent at Ikea measuring handles, under the disapproving looks of people... :D I thought being able to screw the bar from the back would make it more sturdy (needs longer screws, but that's not complicated to find) (needs to drill through the body though, that's much more trickier for me), but the bar lengths never seemed to be adequate. And the height typically doesn't work.

I'll give it another look (maybe not Ikea again though), maybe a gave up too quickly in search of an easier solution.
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Steadyriot. » Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:33 pm

Thanks for the pictures! Now I see where you’re coming from! That bridge is pretty cool!

A drawer handle would’ve been my first suggestion too but it seems you already tried that route. Wouldn’t be surprised if strings would bind pretty easily on those too.

Another option would be a Towner tension bar for Bigsby’s:
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Comes with the added benefit of a roller!
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:24 am

Steadyriot. wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:33 pm
Another option would be a Towner tension bar for Bigsby’s:
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Comes with the added benefit of a roller!
But it seems too high. For higher bridges such as TOMs, it's fine, but mine is lower. A Buzzstop may fit (if the dimensions I found online are correct), and would bring the strings 5mm above the body, it feels a bit shallow but should work, especially if I install it backwards. The string trees option was easier to manage, but I reckon that the screws would likely be too small to hold them in place (with the added precision given above, that the wood is usually softer on the body than the neck). I guess I cannot lower the strings too much either anyway... A custom-made tension bar (inspired by the Floyd Rose headstock one) feels like the best option, as it's height-adjustable; if there's only two outside screws, a metal tube (of a slightly larger diameter) could be used as a roller, if needed.
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:36 am

A bit surprisingly (to me at least), the Towner tension bar actually comes disassembled, making it easier to hack... :shifty:

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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Steadyriot. » Sun Jul 14, 2024 10:14 am

Gordon wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:36 am
A bit surprisingly (to me at least), the Towner tension bar actually comes disassembled, making it easier to hack... :shifty:

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Oh great! Swap out the bar for a straight one and you’d be golden!
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by cbrown » Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:44 pm

Possible other option, get one of these and put the strings under instead of over?
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:47 pm

cbrown wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:44 pm
Possible other option, get one of these and put the strings under instead of over?
https://www.guyker.com/cdn/shop/files/S ... &width=600
https://www.guyker.com/products/stainle ... ridge-gold
This is a very good idea, that I already looked into, but the rollers/saddles are an issue, as at least the two middle ones are too big to allow strings to go under, there's little to no clearance. If there was an option to get a set of 6 outer rollers, it'd be near perfect, but I haven't been able to find just those saddles...
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:55 pm

Talking of Guyker, I also thought about this bridge: https://www.guyker.com/products/adjusta ... -and-cover

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Then keeping only the mono-saddle, and installing it upside down so the the rounded part is at the bottom. The two mounting screws that come with it (not pictured above, meant for the base) should hold it. But for some reason, I have a bad feeling about it...
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by cbrown » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:47 am

I thought about something like that too but thought that the underside of most bridges might be a bit ugly since they're not usually expected to be visible. That Gretschy one though is symmetrical so not an issue there. I thought you could dismantle it and reorder the different sized saddles so the small ones go in the middle, big ones on the outside, so when the strings go under, they're approximating the radius of your bridge. Or you could just remove the saddles and have the strings in contact with the threaded bar I guess.

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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:54 am

cbrown wrote:
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I thought about something like that too but thought that the underside of most bridges might be a bit ugly since they're not usually expected to be visible.
True. And I don't know about this Gawker one, but there are similar cheap Chinese bridges on eBay and Amazon, and they look somewhat hollow... But maybe it's just bad pictures. Anyway, I haven't been able to find a photo of the underside. :squint:
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That Gretschy one though is symmetrical so not an issue there. I thought you could dismantle it and reorder the different sized saddles so the small ones go in the middle, big ones on the outside, so when the strings go under, they're approximating the radius of your bridge. Or you could just remove the saddles and have the strings in contact with the threaded bar I guess.
I had more in mind to find a metal tube with a slightly larger diameter than the threaded bar here, turning it into a roller. The threaded part would mean even less friction than a smooth bar I guess. :shifty:
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Re: String tree and upward force

Post by Gordon » Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:21 am

Gordon wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:36 am
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Looking in my toolbox, I found these:

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The ones on the left are too big, but the potential would be perfect to replace the brackets of the Towner. I'll be on the lookout at the hardware store (which are not as developed here as they are in the US, only small shops and no Home Depot :'( ). The ones on the right are too flimsy, but similarly they could be a good option if they were sturdier.
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