Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by GreenKnee » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:09 am

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You're both operating in the land of "standard" string sets, for which Mastery works fine. I like the option of flexibility to use whatever strings i choose.
And so you choose a bridge that works for you and your needs.
I use the same strings, same gauge, on all of my electric guitars and so I use bridges that work best for me.
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Larry Mal » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:14 am

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You're both operating in the land of "standard" string sets, for which Mastery works fine. I like the option of flexibility to use whatever strings i choose.
Which is fine, but I did directly address that above, when I said I would rather have a bridge that does what I want it to do excellently rather than a bridge that offers a lot of features that I don't need and don't want and which compromise the use of it.

I mean, I started playing the Jazzmaster when there was no other bridge, you couldn't even find Mustang bridges. I dealt with it, but it was a constant hassle, and I never got any benefit from it. All the stuff that was supposed to be innovative, like setting the saddle height to other than the neck radius, to having custom string spacing not to mention the rocking back and forth... none of that did anything for me except to require me having to address the problems all that created constantly.

And then one day there was the Mastery, which directly addressed everything I didn't like and did it well.

I would imagine that people that use the string gauges that run from .009 to .011 probably account for over 90% of electric guitar players, so they will absolutely be served by the Mastery bridge.

Why would I want to buy a bridge that accommodates what you do on the guitar instead of the one that best works for me?
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by DeathJag » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:40 am

I use wound Gs exclusively and the Mastery intonated just fine. I don't get it! I have since switched to Staytrems and love em.

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Larry Mal » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:31 am

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I use wound Gs exclusively and the Mastery intonated just fine. I don't get it! I have since switched to Staytrems and love em.
Huh. I would have thought it would have made the G off a little.
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Dr Tony Balls » Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:14 am

DeathJag wrote:
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I use wound Gs exclusively and the Mastery intonated just fine. I don't get it!
Do you also use a wound B and high E?
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by DeathJag » Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:10 pm

Ohmygod I have ALWAYS wanted to, but haven't been able to find a .013 or .014 wound. IS THERE A SOURCE FOR THESE???!!!!!! One place said they make a .017 wound, but now I can't find that email haha!

Larry - I am vexed about it. I went and checked after reading posts about it (very possibly yours!). I used a Peterson Strobe tuner and while it wasn't dead on, it was close enough not to be audible. It was close to the same as the other strings. This jag is a 2003 AVRI and the first thing I did when I got it was take it in to get a full set up with .013 - .056. The shop did a great job! So great that the G's intonation was great!

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Larry Mal » Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:22 pm

DeathJag wrote:
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Larry - I am vexed about it. I went and checked after reading posts about it (very possibly yours!). I used a Peterson Strobe tuner and while it wasn't dead on, it was close enough not to be audible. It was close to the same as the other strings. This jag is a 2003 AVRI and the first thing I did when I got it was take it in to get a full set up with .013 - .056. The shop did a great job! So great that the G's intonation was great!
Yeah, don't take my word too much on it... I use .11s with an unwound G. I would have just assumed it would be somewhat out of tune since as those images above make clear there's a pretty big difference between the G strings.

However, while those images are pretty accurate, I have definitely seen some guitars where it wasn't quite like that.
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by andy_tchp » Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:27 pm

DeathJag wrote:
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I use wound Gs exclusively and the Mastery intonated just fine.
I had the same experience when I used to use GHS Nickel Rockers/Nickel Rollerwounds .012"-.054" (with a 'wound third') on everything.
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by michel v » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:00 am

I have a Halon, all steel. I would say it sustains very well. I used to have a Staytrem on another guitar, but I sold that a few years ago. From what I remember, it didn't sustain as well as the Halon.
But having to rely on my memory, plus the fact that it was a different guitar, means you should probably take this with a good pinch of salt!

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Vendetagainst » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:43 am

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I have a Halon, all steel. I would say it sustains very well. I used to have a Staytrem on another guitar, but I sold that a few years ago. From what I remember, it didn't sustain as well as the Halon.
But having to rely on my memory, plus the fact that it was a different guitar, means you should probably take this with a good pinch of salt!
Ah, I figured! After closer inspection, it turns out my Mastery is rocking in the Warmoth thimbles. I ordered some Mastery thimbles, hopefully that fixes the pinging issue. If it doesn’t, I have the Staytrem and if that doesn’t work, I’ll buy a Halon. If the thimbles or Halon works, I’ll save the Staytrem for a project I have planned in the near future (will def post that here!)

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by GreenKnee » Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:27 am

Have the Mastery thimbles cured your issue? I'm the guy on Reddit who suggested you check them :)

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Vendetagainst » Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 am

GreenKnee wrote:
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Have the Mastery thimbles cured your issue? I'm the guy on Reddit who suggested you check them :)
Hey thanks once again for the suggestion! Unfortunately I am out of country for now, so I will only be able to try them when I get home, but will post an update if that fixes the issue!

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Maggieo » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:25 am

Dr Tony Balls wrote:
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You're both operating in the land of "standard" string sets, for which Mastery works fine. I like the option of flexibility to use whatever strings i choose.
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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by Maggieo » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am

The thing that bugs me about the Staytrem is how the saddles wind up being pushed to the back of the bridge.

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Re: Staytrem sustain vs a Mastery or Halon?

Post by GreenKnee » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:09 pm

Maggieo wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am
The thing that bugs me about the Staytrem is how the saddles wind up being pushed to the back of the bridge.

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2021 Squier Classic Vibe Jazzmaster, September 07, 2021 by Maggie Osterberg, on Flickr
I think this is more likely down to the specific guitar/neck and not the Staytrem.

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