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Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by Novae » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:30 am

Hey folks.

I recently ordered some Curtis Novak Lipstick Jaguar pickups and took it to a local guitar shop to get them installed. It didn't go quite smoothly. When i received the guitar, the neck pickup was touching the strings. I had to go home and remove the pickups and take this thick piece of foam off and cut a slimmer piece to put under there. They're still not perfectly in there, but they're there and pickup height is fine.

The big issue is that the bridge pickup works and sounds great, but when i switch to the neck pickup, it sounds like it's doing the rhythm circuit tone even in the lead circuit. If i engage the rhythm circuit, nothing changes but the rhythm circuit volume and tone controls work. So basically i have a neck pickup stuck in a rhythm circuit sound no matter where i engage the pickup. Both pickups on is literally the combination of a bright bridge pickup and a dark neck pickup tone. Lead circuit volume and tone work as they should.

Does anyone have an idea what could've gone wrong? I am not taking my guitars to that shop anymore. I'm finding a different guy to do the job or do it myself if i can't find anyone and the job seems doable DIY style.

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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by Larry Mal » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:52 am

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Does anyone have an idea what could've gone wrong? I am not taking my guitars to that shop anymore.
What went wrong is this guy sucks. We all make mistakes but the strings touching the pickup is just insult.
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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by Novae » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:34 am

Larry Mal wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:52 am
Novae wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:30 am


Does anyone have an idea what could've gone wrong? I am not taking my guitars to that shop anymore.
What went wrong is this guy sucks. We all make mistakes but the strings touching the pickup is just insult.
Insult is an understatement. When i received the guitar, the neck pickup was sitting on the thick original foam and cables tucked underneath. He forcefully screwed the pickup in there so that the base of the pickup was literally bending downwards. I was scared the pickup was going to break. Even the casing itself was being pulled apart because he drilled extra mounting screw holes in the cavities and they were too far apart. Screws were in crooked.

I had to go home, take out the pickups and remove the foam and try a few of those holes to get the pickups in straight-ish and at a proper height. I am extremely hesitant to bring it back to him. I am scared that he'll mess my guitar up even more. I'm done with that shop.

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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by Larry Mal » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:57 am

I mean, why would you give someone back their guitar in a state that you know means they can't use the guitar?

It would be like if you went to get new tires put on and when you went to get your car all your wheels were just laying there with new tires on and your car was sitting on the dirt.

Even in 2021, it seems that some guitar techs really can't wrap their minds around the Jaguar, which is like seventy years old at this point.

My opinion is that while there are some very good guitar technicians out there, there's also a very, very high percentage of them that are people that are simply unsuitable for any other job of any kind.

Looks like you found one of those. I found plenty of them, and am only now starting to have some confidence in some again, otherwise I just bought some books, joined guitar forums and learned to so at least some of this stuff myself.
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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by timtam » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:03 am

So it's a standard jag circuit - that worked fine before ? And the only thing changed were both pickups ?

And while the neck pickup always sounds somewhat like the rhythm circuit, the rhythm circuit controls only work when the rhythm circuit is actually engaged ?

If so, my first thought would be something wrong with the neck pickup or the way it is connected to the rhythm/lead switch. As you can see below, that pickup only connects to the rhythm/lead switch and ground. If absolutely nothing else was changed, and the bridge pickup is fine, that's where I would be looking first - at the connection of the neck pickup to the switch and to ground. If that doesn't turn up anything obvious, the next step would be connecting the neck pickup directly to the output jack/guitar cable, so you can verify that it sounds OK, on its own. Given the drama underneath it, it may not.

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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by Novae » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:43 am

timtam wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:03 am
So it's a standard jag circuit - that worked fine before ? And the only thing changed were both pickups ?

And while the neck pickup always sounds somewhat like the rhythm circuit, the rhythm circuit controls only work when the rhythm circuit is actually engaged ?

If so, my first thought would be something wrong with the neck pickup or the way it is connected to the rhythm/lead switch. As you can see below, that pickup only connects to the rhythm/lead switch and ground. If absolutely nothing else was changed, and the bridge pickup is fine, that's where I would be looking first - at the connection of the neck pickup to the switch and to ground. If that doesn't turn up anything obvious, the next step would be connecting the neck pickup directly to the output jack/guitar cable, so you can verify that it sounds OK, on its own. Given the drama underneath it, it may not.

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Yes, the rhythm circuit controls work only when the circuit is engaged and only the lead circuit controls work when rhythm circuit is not engaged. The guitar had bone stock electronics until yesterday.

I spent a lot of money on the pickups, shipping and toll fees and if one pickup is bust i have no idea what i'm going to do. I will email the shop and ask for a refund since this job was not worth paying for at this point. I have my eye on an actual luthier in my location who might be the one to make it right for me. I'll write down notes on what you've said here and save that diagram too. Thanks.

I just want my Jaguar to work like it's supposed to with these new pickups :'(

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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by noisepunk » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:46 pm

in the mean time, buy a halfway decent soldering iron and start teaching yourself how to make clean connections, because that's garbage. i decided before it ever even came up that i'd teach myself how to do this stuff (and it isn't hard, it just takes practice), but after that i'd never let another tech touch my guitar again.

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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by jorri » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:04 am

Its easier for some i guess because maybe my school and family teaching me to solder and fix things can be unusual in the mid 2000s. ...but no i dont see much reason for techs. Ive made a mistake or two but it looks like techs make more if i aggregate all the stories of poor work. Especially setups i mean owning the feeler guages and reading the official Fender setup guide works too, maybe surprisingly, at least as starting points.

But it sounds like its hooked up wrong, but given that the pots give the rhythm circuit its sound, i am unsure why then the rhythm pots only work with the rhythm switch on, or do they not?
I guess there could be some specific error where its possible but seems unlikely. E.g. somehow its hookup up on pins 1 and 3 through the tone pot? Somehow he added an accidental resistor?
Anyway spotting the difference to the wiring diagram might help.
OR for some reason the pickup just lacks treble, enough for no discernable difference once the filter is removed.

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Re: Tech messed up my wiring...

Post by ChrisDesign » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 pm

Demand a refund for a poor job. Find a better tech.
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