Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

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Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by Kylef » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:21 pm

I put a mute on my Marr Jaguar but it's lack of use has me going to take it off. I thought of outting it on my Jazzmaster but it wouldn't look right - mainly because they are so uncommon, so why is this? It's been around for pretty much the same time as the Jag which came with one?

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by spilltray » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:29 pm

Kylef wrote:it's lack of use has me going to take it off.
You answered your own question.

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by Fearnot » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:47 pm

Why would I want one? I can mute strings with my palm just fine.

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by thomas2508 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:00 pm

Would a mute even fit on a jazzmaster? looks like there isn't much room there with the bigger pickups

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by FrankRay » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:03 pm

Technically, I think it was because the Jazzmaster was designed to appeal to jazz players who liked playing mellow sounds whilst sitting down. The jag was a reworking to appeal more to all the kids who liked the Jazzmaster but wanted to play surf rock. One of the weirder things about Fender was he almost never went back and redesigned anything- except the precision bass and Duo Sonic- just made new models to take advantage of new ideas.
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by andy_tchp » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:24 pm

Kylef wrote:I put a mute on my Marr Jaguar but it's lack of use has me going to take it off. I thought of outting it on my Jazzmaster but it wouldn't look right - mainly because they are so uncommon, so why is this?
Jazzmasters never came with them as standard, so they're not able to be retrofitted without moderately annoying modifications. You'd need to drill the plunger hole in the body, drill a matching hole in the pickguard, then drill pilot holes for the adjustment/fastening screws. Any of the above being 'off' would compromise the functionality of the mute.

Member 'MelWaldorf' installed one in a three pickup Jazzmaster, you can see the cached images if you do a Google search.
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by hoddyman » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:08 pm

A mute on a jaguar should, properly, have a hole under the bridge with a spring and some kind of plunger thing that are used to "click" the mute on or off, under the strings. The Jazzmaster, which came out three or four years before the Jaguar, never had a mute- that was supposed to be some kind of "revolutionary feature" introduced on the Jaguar. Installing a mute properly on a Jazzmaster should involve routing or drilling a big hole under the bridge- would you really want to do that?

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by andy_tchp » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:15 pm

:mellow:
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by joeybsyc » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:57 pm

I love the "look" of the original Fender Mute, but like most everyone else... I never actually use it. I put them on my Squier VM's strictly for appearance sake and don't even bother to route out the body for the plunger and spring. If the mute will clear the bridge pickup on a Jazzmaster (I don't think it will) you could do the same thing if you like the way it looks but never actually use it.
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by Fearnot » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:10 pm

I view the mute like I do all those bridge and pickup covers Fender would include... an extraneous piece that you'd remove and try not to misplace.

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by andy_tchp » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:23 pm

Fearnot wrote:I view the mute like I do all those bridge and pickup covers Fender would include... an extraneous piece that you'd remove and try not to misplace.
Why? It interferes with nothing when it's not engaged.
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by jakeisjake » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:54 pm

andy_tchp wrote:
Fearnot wrote:I view the mute like I do all those bridge and pickup covers Fender would include... an extraneous piece that you'd remove and try not to misplace.
Why? It interferes with nothing when it's not engaged.
maybe mine was installed wrong, but I couldn't use the bridge cover with the mute on...
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by andy_tchp » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:54 pm

jakeisjake wrote:maybe mine was installed wrong, but I couldn't use the bridge cover with the mute on...
Interesting. I just popped the bridge cover on (I've never used one) and the mute still worked fine.

I can see that if the bridge and mute were adjusted slightly differently in either direction things would become a bit of a mess and not function correctly, to the point that the bridge cover probably wouldn't even be able to be installed. Just another of the 'balancing acts' when it comes to these I think ;)
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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by farmer42 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:34 am

andy_tchp wrote:
jakeisjake wrote:maybe mine was installed wrong, but I couldn't use the bridge cover with the mute on...
Interesting. I just popped the bridge cover on (I've never used one) and the mute still worked fine.

I can see that if the bridge and mute were adjusted slightly differently in either direction things would become a bit of a mess and not function correctly, to the point that the bridge cover probably wouldn't even be able to be installed. Just another of the 'balancing acts' when it comes to these I think
Yeah, part of the appeal for the mute was the ability to leave the cover on and still be able to play muted. I'm probably going to add a mute to my VMJag. I play with a light palm mute most of the time anyway, so a mute set to just barely be there would allow me more control over my picking.

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Re: Why is a mute on a Jazzmaster such a rare sight?

Post by Jazzmastervsjaguar » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:18 am

I'm a big fan of the mute. I really miss my jag because of it. Lots of fun sounds in there that are different then palm muting. Now I really want a vintage jag again!

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