Early 70s JMs

[chrisjedijane]

I don't really think the checking's all that unusual on the front of the headstock - my '72 is going that way...

[Orang Goreng]

I don't dig the finish on that... is it original and just faded? Looks weird to me.

The finish is very similar to mine, though mine has been sanded a bit on the front, which makes the effect more pronounced. Interestingly, the back of mine hasn't faded at all...the red is way more pronounced there.

[andrewaward]

I don't really think the checking's all that unusual on the front of the headstock - my '72 is going that way...

Horizontal as opposed to vertical?

Maybe its normal on 70s stuff - my experience is with 60s Fenders where horizontal checking (like in that pic) = refin (generally).

I've owned a few 70s Jazzmasters , 100% original and they had vertical checking (very little though) on headstock front.

[chrisjedijane]

Yeah, the checking on mine is spreading from the tuners, kinda parallel to the strings. My '72 (it's a tele though) is definitely 100% original though - I'm the second owner, my grandfather being the first. It's not huge, but the guitar was pretty well cared for. This Jazzmaster might not have been so well cared for, hence more checking.

I'm not an expert on these things, but would it make more sense for the checking to follow the grain in the wood?

[andrewaward]

I'm not an expert on these things, but would it make more sense for the checking to follow the grain in the wood?

No............I'm not just meaning headstock fronts, I'm meaning bodies also............loads of refins seem to check "long ways" as opposed to "up and down" (like most original finishes did).

60s Fender nitro finishes checked mainly at 90 degrees to the string direction.....bodies + headstock

[andrewaward]

An original finish:

[chrisjedijane]

Yeah, I know what you mean about that - I've seen that a whole load of times.

[the older brother]

That's just a standard CBS JM headstock, isn't it? 

nope - this is:



a quite remarkable part off the heads head (if you know what I mean) is cut off!

[StevenO]

That's just a standard CBS JM headstock, isn't it? 

nope - this is:

http://zeus.lunarpages.com/~jimshi2/jaz ... tric19.jpg

a quite remarkable part off the heads head (if you know what I mean) is cut off!

Well somebody is late to the party.

[andrewaward]

the wiring has also been changed / messed with

[the older brother]

That's just a standard CBS JM headstock, isn't it? 

nope - this is:

http://zeus.lunarpages.com/~jimshi2/jaz ... tric19.jpg

a quite remarkable part off the heads head (if you know what I mean) is cut off!

Well somebody is late to the party.

I clicked "go to last post on the thread" and ended at the headstock picture, wich upset me so much I didn't bother continue reading....sorry!

....But the fine folks always comes late to the party

[mezcalhead]

Yeah, the electronics have definitely been messed with and it looks pretty sloppy from what I can see there .. the nut looks huge, maybe just 'cos you can see the bit that's usually under the binding but it almost looks like it's set for slide.

On the pic of the guitar in the case it almost looks like the back of the guitar has been trimmed as well but in the other photos it looks OK ..

Rob, I would avoid this one .. I think the headstock must look pretty rubbish viewed front-on (which is why there's no photo of it) and it isn't really fixable short of adding wood onto the headstock end .. then you'd need a matching headstock refin to cover it .. but the body is a sunburst and original finish so you wouldn't want to redo it .. just too much hassle.

[idiotbear]

Rob, I would avoid this one .. I think the headstock must look pretty rubbish viewed front-on (which is why there's no photo of it) and it isn't really fixable short of adding wood onto the headstock end .. then you'd need a matching headstock refin to cover it .. but the body is a sunburst and original finish so you wouldn't want to redo it .. just too much hassle.

Yeah, I made the decision to avoid it a couple days ago now. Shame, because on first look, that was a lovely guitar.  Ah well, life goes on.

[danoisefactory]

There is probably an even nicer one just round the corner.

Or get yourself an AVRI, great sound and quality, not to sure about sunburst looks or anything, i'm not really into finishes (?) I like guitars  to be beaten to hell by there owners.

Great job by all fellow offsetters by finding all the flukes on this one!
While reading the thread i went from, it's to expensive (because if you're gonna spend that much money then either buy an original '62 (after some more saving) or an avri or look for a MIJ and customize it) to WTF?? ripp off bastard stuff!!!

But i'm down to my old self now and just think that it's way to expensive because it smells funny.


And they call it vintage....