There's going to be an American Vintage 2 series apparently.

[Mechanical Birds]

Any pictures of the LPB boy yet?

[sal paradise]

TBF, lack of Jaguar is hardly an issue when you can get a USA Casino with a Bigsby.

[BoringPostcards]

TBF, lack of Jaguar is hardly an issue when you can get a USA Casino with a Bigsby.

[algeriet]

TBF, lack of Jaguar is hardly an issue when you can get a USA Casino with a Bigsby.

With the wrong inlays, have fun looking at yourself in the mirror trying to get the guitar to look right, lol.

At first I was surprised why Gibson decided to do that, and all the bootlickers wrote that it was so one could easier distinguish between the new USA model from Asian made models/vintage guitars, but if you looked at the US Epiphone Texan that was released at the same time, it also had the identical inlays, although its were slanted towards the correct position unlike the Casino, and so, it was clear that Gibson went with doing the inlays slanted in one direction rather than producing them in both directions in order to streamline their production.

And that is where we get to the new AVII line:

My AV65 JM is an incredible guitar and so was the AV65 Strat I had for a short spell. I am not saying that the AO series were bad guitars, not at all, but they went away with all the features that made the 2012-2017 American Vintage line so great. I mean just look at the terrible sunburst the AO60s JM got, yikes!

So sure, the smaller headstock was available in '66, but majority of them were the bigger size and yes, Klusons were still being used as this was a transition period, but a majority of them had the F-tuners going on and imo, if you will be doing a B&B neck and calling it a '66 reissue, the obvious decision would be getting the most typical specs from that year and not landing on a transition clause. Also if anyone's noticed, the decal seems to be exactly the same style as the AO60s, which, to the trained eye, was different to the AV65 decal that was much more vintage looking. Also what's up with the Trump-orange clearcoat on the neck? There's a reason they didn't call it the AVII67 (lol?) and instead went for the '66 "specs" as they could basically just continue with their AO60s neck and instead (thankfully) add correct blocks. I mean, they added an F-plate, so why not just change the headstock shape and add the tuners that they will still be using in the same line on the 70's models? Cashish and the bootlickin' consumer base is why.

So in short, it seems to me that they only went 90% there in order to save cash and let the less knowledgeable enjoy their new guitars, instead of just doing it like they did in 2012-2017 and just make an AV66/67 that we vintage spec aficionados truly would have wanted, with the bigger headstock, non-tinted clearcoat and F-tuners. The '66 in LPB would be an immediate purchase, but the small headstock on blocks just doesn't look right if it's gonna be a reissue. Can anyone show me a '66 with blocks and the smaller headstock? Only seen D&Bs like that. Also to be clear, I've personally played a '65 with the big headstock so I am just not buying Fender's decision on this whatsoever. Don't get me started on Rickenbacker and their 21 vs 24 fret models!

Damn, rant over, climbing off of my high horse. Peace and love, namasté and all that.

[rbrcbr]

TBF, lack of Jaguar is hardly an issue when you can get a USA Casino with a Bigsby.

I like your style, pal

TBF, lack of Jaguar is hardly an issue when you can get a USA Casino with a Bigsby.

With the wrong inlays, have fun looking at yourself in the mirror trying to get the guitar to look right, lol.

At first I was surprised why Gibson decided to do that, and all the bootlickers wrote that it was so one could easier distinguish between the new USA model from Asian made models/vintage guitars, but if you looked at the US Epiphone Texan that was released at the same time, it also had the identical inlays, although its were slanted towards the correct position unlike the Casino, and so, it was clear that Gibson went with doing the inlays slanted in one direction rather than producing them in both directions in order to streamline their production.

Yeah this is one of the few reasons I didn't immediately jump on one of these. Bummer wave, but I suppose there are more important things in life to get hung up over

[algeriet]

Yeah this is one of the few reasons I didn't immediately jump on one of these. Bummer wave, but I suppose there are more important things in life to get hung up over

There aren't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[smjenkins]

Can anyone show me a '66 with blocks and the smaller headstock? Only seen D&Bs like that. Also to be clear, I've personally played a '65 with the big headstock so I am just not buying Fender's decision on this whatsoever.

I did that same image search yesterday. I didn't spend hours or anything but after 15-minutes, I couldn't find a small headstock B+B JM neck. Anyone else know of an example?

[sugarandopium]

Again no black! 🤬

Happy to see 7.25 back.
Tall frets still…. Sowhat are “vintage tall”? 6105 with a new name?

[GreenKnee]

Tall frets still…. So what are “vintage tall”? 6105 with a new name?

My AO has vintage tall, and I had my '62 refretted with 6105. 6105 is definitely wider and maybe slightly taller than the vintage tall.
I love vintage tall for my tastes so not complaints from me on that front.
I've never actually owned a JM because 24" is perfect for me, but I'm scared that the LPB JM is going to suck me in. Hopefully the price is enough to turn me off

[sugarandopium]

The headstock must’ve changed mid-year, not in 67

[JSett]

I'm gonna quote myself here because it's become the, extremely predictable, moanfest :

I agree. One thing's for sure, people will find fault with absolutely anything. It could be a perfect replica apart from one screw will turn clockwise instead of counter and it'll be dismissed as utter garbage and rejected as a total failure.

I, for one, am excited by the leak and look forward to more interesting colours coming out.

Be grateful they're doing what they're doing. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

[Embenny]

I'm gonna quote myself here because it's become the, extremely predictable, moanfest :

Be grateful they're doing what they're doing. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

I dunno, I kinda think the point of a discussion forum is to discuss things. It's good to hear from people who love it as well as people who don't.

Otherwise, most of the forum could be reduced to replies like, "we've already talked about this issue before, use the search function."

Like, without this discussion, I wouldn't personally have been aware that both size headstocks had been used in 66, but only with D&B boards. That's a cool little fact that would otherwise have passed me by.

I like having so many enthusiasts here with so much historical knowledge that a new reissue can be critiqued in such a detailed manner.

You're not wrong that this community can find something to complain about regarding any model, but to me that's part of OSG's charm. It's like an art critique. It may seem negative but it's more interesting than a bunch of people saying "I love it!" and the negative opinions staying quiet.

Just like the extremely predictable complaining about the extremely predictable complaints

Don't ever change, OSG.

[JSett]

Touché

[algeriet]

I did that same image search yesterday. I didn't spend hours or anything but after 15-minutes, I couldn't find a small headstock B+B JM neck. Anyone else know of an example?

I went through some of my books on Fender Jazzmasters and couldn't find one either.

The headstock must’ve changed mid-year, not in 67

They already began the transition to the bigger headstock in '65 as seen here:

Be grateful they're doing what they're doing. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

But what if I wanted to buy it but don't appreciate when companies with historical legacies do not treat their past or their current customers with the respect they actually deserve? Do I not get to discuss and critique this among fellow connoisseurs who may share other insightful thoughts, takes or information?

Just like the extremely predictable complaining about the extremely predictable complaints

[sal paradise]

How many mm bigger is the CBS headstock than early 60s JM?