John Frusciante's Under the bridge 1966 Jaguar

[B.T.]

I think Ben & Jerry's must of been big fans, didn't they make an ice cream called Chunky Monkey after them?

[mr bungle]

RHCP are boring funk-adjacent dude rock. John Frusciante’s solo work is excellent with maybe the exception of his first two drug-addled albums.
As mentioned above, the best RHCP songs are the songs that were majority-written by Frusciante.

Soul to Squeeze is a good example, as is Under the Bridge.

Boring… then you mention Soul to Squeeze as a highlight?

Personally I always liked most of Freaky Styley, Mothers Milk & BSSM. But after that they fell off a cliff in many ways.

Kiedis has always battled to sing live and even in the studio at times.

[BoringPostcards]

RHCP are boring funk-adjacent dude rock. John Frusciante’s solo work is excellent with maybe the exception of his first two drug-addled albums.
As mentioned above, the best RHCP songs are the songs that were majority-written by Frusciante.

Soul to Squeeze is a good example, as is Under the Bridge.

Boring… then you mention Soul to Squeeze as a highlight?

Personally I always liked most of Freaky Styley, Mothers Milk & BSSM. But after that they fell off a cliff in many ways.

Kiedis has always battled to sing live and even in the studio at times.

I’ve always liked the guitar work on Soul to Squeeze. Ever since I was a teenager. Haven’t heard the song in aeons, though I must say.
Their funky stuff usually had lame lyrics about sex or whatever, hence why I called it funk-adjacent dude rock.

As for Kiedis. Was never a big fan. Saw them live opening for the Mars Volta. Kiedis did not have a good night. Neither did Cedric actually. His voice was shot, but the music was good.

[mr bungle]

RHCP are boring funk-adjacent dude rock. John Frusciante’s solo work is excellent with maybe the exception of his first two drug-addled albums.
As mentioned above, the best RHCP songs are the songs that were majority-written by Frusciante.

Soul to Squeeze is a good example, as is Under the Bridge.

Boring… then you mention Soul to Squeeze as a highlight?

Personally I always liked most of Freaky Styley, Mothers Milk & BSSM. But after that they fell off a cliff in many ways.

Kiedis has always battled to sing live and even in the studio at times.

I’ve always liked the guitar work on Soul to Squeeze. Ever since I was a teenager. Haven’t heard the song in aeons, though I must say.
Their funky stuff usually had lame lyrics about sex or whatever, hence why I called it funk-adjacent dude rock.

As for Kiedis. Was never a big fan. Saw them live opening for the Mars Volta. Kiedis did not have a good night. Neither did Cedric actually. His voice was shot, but the music was good.

John’s fluttering guitar work has always been a high point. Never highlighted better than on the outro of the stupidly named Sir Psycho Sexy. A ridiculous song that comes alive when the instrumental outro begins. So much so that a kind YouTuber has cut the first 5 mins of the song

https://youtu.be/kt4Pj8QzUpo?si=XZ80-_jY62Gvq6Kd

[OffYourFace]

i still say that it's OTM

[-Philipp-]

Hey everyone, I am pulling out this topic because I have been torn lately on whether to buy a Japanese Fender Jaguar in Sherwood Green, with the idea of the guitar having the same color as John's in Under The Bridge when I play live.[...]

I think you'll be able to get close to what you are after, however I think it is impossible to nail the exact color. You'd have to factor in stage light. This will vary in every venue you are going to play drasticly. Also keep in mind a guitar with a metallic finishes can look very different depending on the light situation too.

The colors of Japanese Jags are lovely. To me they never looked accurate to the colors of US/Mexican Fenders, at least on the CIJ Jags I once owned - an OTM and a CIJ LPB, not sure if it was the LPB or OLPB variation though.
But since you are not after the look of a clean out of the factory sherwood green finish (which also has lighter and darker variations) plus the finish of Johns guitar has faded and aged nicely to a differnet hue over many years, getting close to the original represantation of a vintage finish is not what you are after and the Japanese sheerwood green one might be perfect.

Best bet is probably to check it out in person. Every guitar I ever bought looked different in pics and usually looked so much better in real life! The CIJ sherwood green looks great and even comes with a bound neck like Johns! Go for it, you can always sell it if you don't like it.

[vswann]

Hey everyone, I am pulling out this topic because I have been torn lately on whether to buy a Japanese Fender Jaguar in Sherwood Green, with the idea of the guitar having the same color as John's in Under The Bridge when I play live.[...]

I think you'll be able to get close to what you are after, however I think it is impossible to nail the exact color. You'd have to factor in stage light. This will vary in every venue you are going to play drasticly. Also keep in mind a guitar with a metallic finishes can look very different depending on the light situation too.

The colors of Japanese Jags are lovely. To me they never looked accurate to the colors of US/Mexican Fenders, at least on the CIJ Jags I once owned - an OTM and a CIJ LPB, not sure if it was the LPB or OLPB variation though.
But since you are not after the look of a clean out of the factory sherwood green finish (which also has lighter and darker variations) plus the finish of Johns guitar has faded and aged nicely to a differnet hue over many years, getting close to the original represantation of a vintage finish is not what you are after and the Japanese sheerwood green one might be perfect.

Best bet is probably to check it out in person. Every guitar I ever bought looked different in pics and usually looked so much better in real life! The CIJ sherwood green looks great and even comes with a bound neck like Johns! Go for it, you can always sell it if you don't like it.

Hi Philipp, thank you very much for your reply! I totally agree with you, it is impossible to get the same color as John's for the reasons you gave.
I was just trying to guess which tint would get closer to it. Lightning varies significantly across venues, but what I have noticed with my other guitars is that in any case colors will look brighter. So I wanted to point out that the Sherwood Green Metallic we most often see in pictures on forums, may look very differently under bright stage lights, much closer to what we usually perceive as Ocean Tuquoise Metallic in normal lightning conditions. Which is what I think, reconciles the colors from Under the Bridge's MV and the colors from the magazine shootings where John's guitar has a much darker green shade.
Now I am not even factoring the fact that both SGM and OTM's tints have varied over time and across manufacturers as you have pointed out.

In any case, I decided to go with a Shewood green Jag from Kinko last week which I will be receiving in a few days (and it might even well be the precise one that is in the video you shared!) And yes binding with dot inlays was another big deal maker! It is something that I have been dreaming about for years.

[-Philipp-]

[...]In any case, I decided to go with a Shewood green Jag from Kinko last week which I will be receiving in a few days (and it might even well be the precise one that is in the video you shared!) And yes binding with dot inlays was another big deal maker! It is something that I have been dreaming about for years.

congratulations, killer guitar!!! Please keep us updated. May I request a NGD thread or post with lots of pictures?

Btw: it's not the best shot, but I found this in the archive:


I also noticed that some of the pics in the posts from a few years ago are showing a photobucket overlay, I'll try to updated them in the next days.

[vswann]

[...]In any case, I decided to go with a Sherwood green Jag from Kinko last week which I will be receiving in a few days (and it might even well be the precise one that is in the video you shared!) And yes binding with dot inlays was another big deal maker! It is something that I have been dreaming about for years.

congratulations, killer guitar!!! Please keep us updated. May I request a NGD thread or post with lots of pictures?

Btw: it's not the best shot, but I found this in the archive:


I also noticed that some of the pics in the posts from a few years ago are showing a photobucket overlay, I'll try to updated them in the next days.

I love that photo because it shows once more a different tint of the guitar's Sherwood Green color.
Thank you for updating the pics, it would be great!
And yes, on my side I will do a NGD post with pleasure.

[OffYourFace]

Sherwood Green wasn’t an option in 1966. Only LPB, OTM and Teal.

So why do people assume it’s Sherwood? Yes, SGM was available in 1965. We can make theories that Fender still had some in stock and painted one custom for someone, etc. But I’m willing to believe it’s LPB over SGM… but my gut says OTM.

[vswann]

Sherwood Green wasn’t an option in 1966. Only LPB, OTM and Teal.

So why do people assume it’s Sherwood? Yes, SGM was available in 1965. We can make theories that Fender still had some in stock and painted one custom for someone, etc. But I’m willing to believe it’s LPB over SGM… but my gut says OTM.

That's a good point! But are we sure it is a 1966 Jaguar? Bound necks were introduced in mid/late 1965.

[OffYourFace]

I’d say late 65.

I thought his jag was a ‘66. But if it hasn’t actually been confirmed, disregard what I said.

[vswann]

I’d say late 65.

I thought his jag was a ‘66. But if it hasn’t actually been confirmed, disregard what I said.

But I think you made a great point! If we knew the year we could at least either eliminate SGM or OTM, which was not offered until 1966. (Unless one could order off catalog custom colors?)

Couldn't we all petition Hard Rock Cafe to remove the neck and check the date for us?

[JSett]

Also, didn't they normally release the new year changes from about April/May each year? Which would mean '65 colours would be made well into '66.

I'm not sure we'll ever actually know the answer to the colour riddle, we need to see under the guard who lives closest and can go ask a favour? Doesn't OSGMod Luau actually live in Ft. Lauderdale?