johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:12 pm
Doesn't that also mean then that the, much slated, AO60s was just a (almost universally adored) AV65 with merely a different radius and frets?
Of course, these guitars are similar, but they went away with the flash coat as well as the less vintagey looking logo, and my critique covers the entire AO range compared to the AV. Also the original AV line had matching headstocks which they removed, obviously to save on cost. Only special run AO60s JMs got them, a Charcoal Frost and Sherwood Green run comes to mind.
Larry Mal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:15 pm
And I really doubt if most people sweat the details as much as this forum, a pretty Jazzmaster is probably all anyone really needs.
And that's precisely why I am bringing these things up in this exact forum because many here are very knowledgable on the Jazzmaster's history.
Anyways, it seems like no one here likes me shitting all over their AO60s guitars or their new AVII favourite. Man OSG surely has gotten soft now that the majority seem to let finer details slide.
welshywelsh wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:50 pm
algeriet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:29 am
So in short, it seems to me that they only went 90% there in order to save cash and let the less knowledgeable enjoy their new guitars
Looking down on people who don't know everything about offset guitars is not cool. Thankfully Fender aren't so judgemental!
Absolutely not looking down on anyone, just stating facts. Many will not have owned or played a vintage Jazzmaster, especially one from a specific year that this model claims to recreate, and so Fender saw it fit to just make a slight change in their Jazzmaster AO model, add blocks and an F-plate, new pickups (honestly the PV65s were really good) and charge even more.
DavidG wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:34 pm
A downgrade for who? Maybe for vintage purists, but it certainly wasn't for me. The AO Jags I have owned have always had a feel and build quality a level above any other Jag model I have owned (vintage, avri thin skin, av 65, you name it).
I get the disappointment at the changes to neck radius and the fact that the finish didn't peel off the second you looked at it. But AO line were never inferior guitars.
Inferior as a product; cheaper finish and less vintage details that ultimately lead to an emulation more than a true reissue, which the new AVII claims to be except it's in reality simply a continuation of the AO series except they're using the AV name to bring back interest from the haters such as myself, but other than that 7.25" I am not fooled.
Also clearly I mean a downgrade for vintage purists as that was the AV line's entire point.
Powdered Toast Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:57 pm
One of these is the American Vintage 65 Jazzmaster and the other is the American Original 60's Jazzmaster. Can you tell the difference?
All they changed was the fretboard radius and the frets.
Mate, night and day difference. From a beautiful mid 60's target burst to just a run of the mill sunburst, different logo, different finish, and the radius and frets like you mentioned. I owned a AO60s body for the longest time and I'm confident that the tort was different as well, but that I did not care so much about since all modern tort is pretty meh. Also removing the matching headstocks on a D&B neck was a sin.
dave19er wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:29 pm
I asked Wildwood, who reached to their Fender rep, and it sounds like the Johnny Marr is kind of the only USA Jaguar for a while out. Which is a huge disappointment to me, if true.
Fender's website says it's available in my country (Sweden) so I'd definitely just reach out to your local shop and confirm.
I used to have the LPB Marrguar and that was one killer guitar, and one that I truly wish I never sold, but I did so when I moved to Germany thinking it was no big deal... but it was.