NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:09 pm

I think I spotted the original listing. Do I get a commission? ;D

I don’t think I would have let this one go personally, but then again I’ve never really played a guitar with gold foils that 100% worked for me.

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by SignoftheDragon » Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:24 pm

marqueemoon wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:09 pm
I think I spotted the original listing. Do I get a commission? ;D

I don’t think I would have let this one go personally, but then again I’ve never really played a guitar with gold foils that 100% worked for me.
Yes you did- thanks for the tip! If you ever need a 'special' bro-price on a 12-string, I'll fold your commission into it. :freako:

I seriously thought that I had priced it high enough that it wouldn't sell- but honestly it's worth every penny and more of what I sold it at.

Shoulda-coulda-woulda, I guess. Even though I came out of it very well, I'm still regretting it.

Definitely take a lesson from it though- I was the ONLY bidder on the ebay auction that I got it from. Marketing/audience targeting/decently composed descriptions, etc. really do make a difference. Oh, and make sure you spell the name of your guitar correctly in the listing- so interested parties can find it.

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:52 pm

SignoftheDragon wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:24 pm
Yes you did- thanks for the tip! If you ever need a 'special' bro-price on a 12-string, I'll fold your commission into it. :freako:

I seriously thought that I had priced it high enough that it wouldn't sell- but honestly it's worth every penny and more of what I sold it at.

Shoulda-coulda-woulda, I guess. Even though I came out of it very well, I'm still regretting it.

Definitely take a lesson from it though- I was the ONLY bidder on the ebay auction that I got it from. Marketing/audience targeting/decently composed descriptions, etc. really do make a difference. Oh, and make sure you spell the name of your guitar correctly in the listing- so interested parties can find it.
I think I’m set in in the XII department. :D

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Post by Loobster » Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:21 am

Oh, you didn't pay the asking price?

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Post by SignoftheDragon » Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:59 am

Loobster wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:21 am
Oh, you didn't pay the asking price?
That link was my seller listing - what I sold it for.

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Post by SignoftheDragon » Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:31 am

marqueemoon wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:52 pm
I think I’m set in in the XII department. :D
That is unfathomable to me.

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by JSett » Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:48 am

SignoftheDragon wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:31 am
marqueemoon wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:52 pm
I think I’m set in in the XII department. :D
That is unfathomable to me.
In 27 years of playing, I've never played an electric 12-string :whistle:
Silly Rabbit, don't you know scooped mids are for kids?

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by SignoftheDragon » Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:08 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:48 am
In 27 years of playing, I've never played an electric 12-string :whistle:
See- I knew you were some kind of pervert! ;)

I played 6-string from 1989 to 1994 (when I got my Surfcaster 12.) Haven't gone back to 6 for... 27 years!

Give it a go- it might just blow your mind!

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Post by JSett » Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:15 am

SignoftheDragon wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:08 am
johnnysomersett wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:48 am
In 27 years of playing, I've never played an electric 12-string :whistle:
See- I knew you were some kind of pervert! ;)
Hahah! Guilty as charged!
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Give it a go- it might just blow your mind!
I know I will eventually, I just need to find the right moment, and the right guitar. One day. Maybe.
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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by marqueemoon » Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:21 pm

SignoftheDragon wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:31 am
marqueemoon wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:52 pm
I think I’m set in in the XII department. :D
That is unfathomable to me.
1. I’m an obsessive tuner and very picky about intonation (when it’s something I can control). What’s great about 12 strings also drives me nuts.
2. Bending strings (specifically pre-bending them) is a big part of my playing style. Sounds terrible on a 12 string to my ears.
3. Like Strats with the traditional 3 single coils most electric 12 strings sound more or less the same to me. I can differentiate between different specific instruments, but to my brain it’s all the same basic sound.

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Post by cestlamort » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:01 pm

I love them (and played only 12 string electrics for a couple years there – well short of 27 though).

Depending on what you're trying to do, it can be a lovely, chiming, chorused, organic, glorious, blurry mess. (Which is my ideal guitar tone).
A semi-hollow Rickenbacker 12 made solid body 6 string guitars sound boring and inert in comparison (and chorus pedals sounded like colorized black+white movies).

I'm not a fan of the 60s plinky 12-string sounds, though (aka much of McGuinn's stuff, or I like his stuff despite the thin, 2D 12 string sound he favored/invented/etc.)

I had the Bilt eBay listing on my watch list but didn't pull the trigger... It was nice enough that it deserved a full time commitment and I didn't feel I could do it.

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by SignoftheDragon » Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:46 am

marqueemoon wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:21 pm
1. I’m an obsessive tuner and very picky about intonation (when it’s something I can control). What’s great about 12 strings also drives me nuts.
This is me. I have to have my 12s intonated spot-on, or it's just not worth bothering with. 12-saddle intonation is the first mark of acceptability that I look for in a 12, and all of my 'keepers' are set up to intonate perfectly. I spend half of my time playing with various levels of distortion, and yeah a badly intonated note combo causes all sorts of unnecessary garble to get in the way.
marqueemoon wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:21 pm
2. Bending strings (specifically pre-bending them) is a big part of my playing style. Sounds terrible on a 12 string to my ears.
I do a fair amount of bending- and again the setup is key for enabling that.
marqueemoon wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:21 pm
3. Like Strats with the traditional 3 single coils most electric 12 strings sound more or less the same to me. I can differentiate between different specific instruments, but to my brain it’s all the same basic sound.
How does the old saying go- 'Different hears for different ears?'

Yeah, I get you- but I'll probably never stop trying to convert you!

(The Mormon in my nature coming out, I guess!)

"Hi! What do you know about 12-string guitars, and would you like to know more?" :D :D

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Re: NGD- BilT Relevator XII in Ice Blue Metallic!

Post by SignoftheDragon » Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:15 pm

cestlamort wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:01 pm
Depending on what you're trying to do, it can be a lovely, chiming, chorused, organic, glorious, blurry mess. (Which is my ideal guitar tone).
A semi-hollow Rickenbacker 12 made solid body 6 string guitars sound boring and inert in comparison (and chorus pedals sounded like colorized black+white movies).

I'm not a fan of the 60s plinky 12-string sounds, though (aka much of McGuinn's stuff, or I like his stuff despite the thin, 2D 12 string sound he favored/invented/etc.)
Yep. I think we've traveled similar paths as far as 12-string sounds go. Drawing much more from R.E.M., Lush, Banshees, Bunnymen, etc. than the 60s 12-string heroes.

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