"Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Discussion of vintage Jazzmasters, Jaguars, Bass VIs, Electric XIIs and any other offset-waist instruments.
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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by Mechanical Birds » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:17 pm

Pacafeliz wrote:
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DAFUQ?! :wtf:
Actually love this

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Post by whitewatersky » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:06 am

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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by invisible man » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:10 am

This is represented as a original 1963 Jazzmaster, looks like an over-the top relic. Ugh. Kind of hope it is a fake.

https://reverb.com/item/41745903-1963-f ... t=41745903
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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by will » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:25 am

invisible man wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:10 am
This is represented as a original 1963 Jazzmaster, looks like an over-the top relic. Ugh. Kind of hope it is a fake.

https://reverb.com/item/41745903-1963-f ... t=41745903
The finish on the body could be original - though at this point...
Looks like a refinish was carefully stripped away, but the original finish looks more like something that was sanded for a refinish than playwear.

The description kind of says that the neck is a modern repro without actually going out and saying so directly - "vintage Fender stratocaster relic neck" sounds a bit misleading. Maybe it is because this might be a poor translation from French?

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Post by s_mcsleazy » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:04 pm

invisible man wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:10 am
This is represented as a original 1963 Jazzmaster, looks like an over-the top relic. Ugh. Kind of hope it is a fake.

https://reverb.com/item/41745903-1963-f ... t=41745903
how would a guitar even wear in that way?
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Post by will » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:11 pm

s_mcsleazy wrote:
Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:04 pm

how would a guitar even wear in that way?
To me, it looks like someone sanded the body to refinish it (the edges usually get dinged up the most) and an optimist carefully removed the refinish more recently to reveal all of the remaining original finish.

Maybe there was a chip in the refinish and the new owner thought "I struck gold! SHORELINE gold!"

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Post by MrFingers » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:14 am

Yes, that is a 1960 345... And yes, this really happened in 2020-2021.

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Post by CROSS_guitars » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 am

They should be arrested.

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Post by JSett » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:23 am

CROSS_guitars wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 am
They should be arrested.
I'm not sure I'd be that lenient
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Post by MechaBulletBill » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:35 am

why is everything sanded off the pots? is it a counterfeit?

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Post by MrFingers » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:04 am

No, those are the (dreaded) dust covers that Gibson put around their potmeters in that era. Great in theory, but didn't really work. And those covers are so large that it prevents the potmeters from being fished out of the guitar via the bridge pickup cavity (or F-hole). Hence the "need" to add a cover to the back. I mean, he could also route out a portion of the bridge pickup cavity a bit deeper, so it could be fished out via there.

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You can see in one of the pictures how large they are compared to a regular CTS potmeter that's sitting in the F-hole.

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Post by Flurko » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:09 am

Any "convenience" mod wich such an impact on the wood on such an old, rare-ish and very valuable guitar is kinda stupid (moreso considering the guitar was sold soon after, it's now in Danocaster's hands if I'm not mistaken, though I'm happy it mean he could afford it)and obviously not a great idea and pretty ill-considered.

Gibson should have put back plates on every guitar in the first place though :D (except those with massive woods tops and backs ? but I'm not sure they have so much electronics in them, so they don't need that much access)

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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by invisible man » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:49 am

johnnysomersett wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:23 am
CROSS_guitars wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 am
They should be arrested.
I'm not sure I'd be that lenient
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Post by will » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:07 am

Jeez - that 345 how-to reminds me of the scene in a Frankenstein movie where the proud doctor explains his scientific project to an increasingly horrified onlooker.

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Re: "Why did you do it? Why did you do this thing to me?"

Post by JSett » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:09 am

invisible man wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:49 am
johnnysomersett wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:23 am
CROSS_guitars wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 am
They should be arrested.
I'm not sure I'd be that lenient
Oswaldo Mobray : [lecturing Daisy] John Ruth wants to take you back to Red Rock to stand trial for murder. And, if... you're found guilty, the people of Red Rock will hang you in the town square. And as the hangman, I will perform the execution. And if all those things end up taking place, that's what civilized society calls "justice". However, if the relatives and the loved ones of the person you murdered were outside that door right now. And after busting down that door, they drug you out in the snow and hung you up by the neck, that, we would be frontier justice. Now the good part about frontier justice, is it's very thirst quenching. The bad part is it's apt to wrong as right!
John 'The Hangman' Ruth : [chiming in] Not in your case. In your case, you'd probably have it comin'. But other people, maybe not so much!
Oswaldo Mobray : But ultimately what's the real difference between the two? The real difference is me, the hangman. To me, it doesn't matter what you did. When I hang you, I will get no satisfaction from your death, it's my job! I hang you in Red Rock, I move on to the next town, I hang someone else there. The man who pulls the lever that breaks your neck will be a dispassionate man. And that dispassion is the very essence of justice. For justice delivered without dispassion is always in danger of not being justice.
John 'The Hangman' Ruth : Amen!
Frontier justice is the only true and pure justice. The alternative can always be bought.

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