Re: Vintage market
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:51 am
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I have noticed some older collectors who previously scoffed at Offsets and derided them as "surf guitars" ( ) suddenly take an interest.johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:16 amI'm intrigued as to what catapulted the sudden interest in vintage offsets beyond the Grunge-era kids getting old enough to afford them? There's a LOT of older collectors / players that wouldn't look twice at them before (and openly disparaged them) that all of a sudden are going ga-ga to own one. Could it be because pre-CBS Strats and Teles (what they likely truly want) just got so insanely expensive that they finally looked in the direction of our world?
Maybe, yeah. It is funny how it's turned so suddenly though. I do definitely think that the fact a custom-colour pre-CBS Strat being, what, 30k+ may have had a play in them looking at the 5k-ish Jazzmasters and realising they could afford them much easier. Go back 2 years, if you were an older guitar player/collector who suddenly had an extra 10k to play with due to Covid, you couldn't buy an early Strat but you COULD have afforded a sweet custom colour Jazzmaster.Highnumbers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:23 amI have noticed some older collectors who previously scoffed at Offsets and derided them as "surf guitars" ( ) suddenly take an interest.johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:16 amI'm intrigued as to what catapulted the sudden interest in vintage offsets beyond the Grunge-era kids getting old enough to afford them? There's a LOT of older collectors / players that wouldn't look twice at them before (and openly disparaged them) that all of a sudden are going ga-ga to own one. Could it be because pre-CBS Strats and Teles (what they likely truly want) just got so insanely expensive that they finally looked in the direction of our world?
To some extent, I think it's a psychological thing. When they see other people paying $20K for a Jazzmaster, they start to think there's something other people are seeing that they're not, and jump into the market. Maybe it's driven by FOMO?
I don't think that they're turning to Offsets because they're inexpensive compared to Strats/Teles, it's quite the opposite.
If an item sells, it's impossible for it to be "overpriced."Russell1982 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:59 amI wonder also how much it may be people ignorant of the fact a vintage guitar is “overpriced,” such as myself.
Given the current situation, gas, oil & cereals are probably a safe investment for the next 18 months. Then move them back to tech stocks when this inflatory period is over.T70 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:42 amI am considering selling a few pre-CBS offsets, but where would I put the money? Can't keep it as cash, it'll lose 10% a year. Stock market is not confidence inspiring right now, nor is investing in small business (recession rumors swirling). Pay down the mortgage? Not interested, it's only 2.5%.
Buyers are in a similar boat from the other side, not only with guitars but with all desirable assets (collector watch market is another extreme example). These assets that you can use and enjoy are kind of the next step to many investors after they get the basics down (401k, etc)
I didn't read the most recent posts on this thread so forgive me if I've repeated anything, but I was chatting with an older collector the other day at work and he was talking about how offsets weren't really on his radar, he was always a strat/tele guy and I suppose his attention was drawn to them recently. I'd imagine it's the same thing with most older collectors, the market went up because more people started playing them and suddenly they became more collectable and any "collector worth his salt" should own a good pre CBS jazzmaster/jaguar. Or they played a well set up one through a familiar amp and realized they're good sounding guitars. Who knows.Highnumbers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:23 amI have noticed some older collectors who previously scoffed at Offsets and derided them as "surf guitars" ( ) suddenly take an interest.johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:16 amI'm intrigued as to what catapulted the sudden interest in vintage offsets beyond the Grunge-era kids getting old enough to afford them? There's a LOT of older collectors / players that wouldn't look twice at them before (and openly disparaged them) that all of a sudden are going ga-ga to own one. Could it be because pre-CBS Strats and Teles (what they likely truly want) just got so insanely expensive that they finally looked in the direction of our world?
To some extent, I think it's a psychological thing. When they see other people paying $20K for a Jazzmaster, they start to think there's something other people are seeing that they're not, and jump into the market. Maybe it's driven by FOMO?
I don't think that they're turning to Offsets because they're inexpensive compared to Strats/Teles, it's quite the opposite.
Unfortunately, I’m gonna have to agree with you.graceless wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:01 pmI paid $4k for an early '65 Jag April 21, I would say our price points are probably the last sub-$5k 62-65 jags.camilonava27 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:31 pmI bought my Mid 65 Sunburst Jaguar last December for $3.9k USD. It’s crazy to me how much they’ve gone up. I would say anything from $4-5k USD is pretty fairRussell1982 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:50 pmAs someone who only recently thought about looking at vintage jaguars, what do you guys consider is a “decent” price and what do you think is overpriced? I was surprised, when looking, to find a couple of late 60’s jags for about £4,700 to £5,000, as I’d assumed they’d be a lot more. But then I’ve seen a lot for closer to £10,000
That’s exactly what I’m seeing.rbrcbr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:42 pmI didn't read the most recent posts on this thread so forgive me if I've repeated anything, but I was chatting with an older collector the other day at work and he was talking about how offsets weren't really on his radar, he was always a strat/tele guy and I suppose his attention was drawn to them recently. I'd imagine it's the same thing with most older collectors, the market went up because more people started playing them and suddenly they became more collectable and any "collector worth his salt" should own a good pre CBS jazzmaster/jaguar. Or they played a well set up one through a familiar amp and realized they're good sounding guitars. Who knows.