Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by Parksie » Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:46 am

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So 100% confirmed by the owner means it’s 100% confirmed by the owner.

I think the point being made is that this doesn't mean jack - he could have said it was flown to the moon and painted by aliens...doesn't mean it's true.

Which bit doesn't mean jack?

He owned the guitar from 1962 till 1969.

He had it repainted before he sold it.

He told me this on the phone.

The guy is now almost 80 and you think he's lying?

Maybe you should give him a call instead of being such a smart ass.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by JSett » Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:52 am

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The guy is now almost 80 and you think he's lying?
Do only young people lie then? My apologies ::)
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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:11 am

It's a minefield out there & I wouldn't let age cloud your judgement. As other people have said, people frequently lie, or withhold the truth, to get the best money out of a deal. It's just how it is, particularly when it comes to vintage guitars.

And yeah, a refin done 40 years ago will be no more valuable (financially speaking) than a refin done yesterday unless it was done by Fender. Sentimentality & cool points will obviously tempt people into spending more.
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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by N0_Camping4U » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:09 am

Hey man, I got a vintage Jazzmaster I'll sell you. It's all original. It got finished by Leo Fender himself in 61. 100 percent confirmed by the owner. Me. Interested?

Not being an ass, or attacking you. But '100 percent confirmed by the owner' ... Again ... Means very little to anyone. At all. If you believe him, great. But that means nothing to the value or to the originality. Those words he said were meant to comfort you.
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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by marqueemoon » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:46 am

The level of snark in this thread has gotten weird.

It’s clearly a refin and looks to be an old one. The seller put the OP in touch with a person who claimed to be the original owner who told them when they remembered having the work done.

Could that story be bullshit? Sure. Does it mean anything in terms of the guitar’s value? Not really.

I think in the age of soaring vintage prices and flowery descriptions (“beautifully restored to its original color by SO-AND-SO!!!1”) we’ve all gotten a bit cynical.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by eggwheat » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:51 am

Yeh it’s getting pretty silly.

Of course anyone can make anything up…but in this case it’s extremely unlikely, since there is no gain to be had in confirming a negative… and the physical evidence matches the tale.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by Fiddy » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:35 am

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
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It's a minefield out there & I wouldn't let age cloud your judgement. As other people have said, people frequently lie, or withhold the truth, to get the best money out of a deal. It's just how it is, particularly when it comes to vintage guitars.

And yeah, a refin done 40 years ago will be no more valuable (financially speaking) than a refin done yesterday unless it was done by Fender. Sentimentality & cool points will obviously tempt people into spending more.
Nothing to gain, the guitar has already been sold.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:46 am

Parksie wrote:
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Looks like a refin to me as well. Cool guitar though.
Yes it seems likely but it’s still a keeper.
;D :fp:

How much did it go for?
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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by Parksie » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:48 pm

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:11 am

It's a minefield out there & I wouldn't let age cloud your judgement. As other people have said, people frequently lie, or withhold the truth, to get the best money out of a deal. It's just how it is, particularly when it comes to vintage guitars.

And yeah, a refin done 40 years ago will be no more valuable (financially speaking) than a refin done yesterday unless it was done by Fender. Sentimentality & cool points will obviously tempt people into spending more.

I am sure some people will lie about when a refinish was done.

However in this case I didn't buy the guitar from the original owner who refinished it in the 60's. I bought it off the 2nd owner who didn't refinish it.

Like I said before I tracked down the original owner last week and he told me when it was refinished, where it was refinished and even why he had it refinished.

I am at a loss as to why people on this forum don't understand this?

There is no lying in this particular case as I didn't buy the guitar from the original owner.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by Fiddy » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:58 pm

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:46 am
Parksie wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:01 pm
marqueemoon wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:06 pm
Looks like a refin to me as well. Cool guitar though.
Yes it seems likely but it’s still a keeper.
;D :fp:

How much did it go for?
Sold to the current owner aka the OP. So there's nothing to gain by lying about it.

The story is nothing out of the ordinary, someone doing a refin on a guitar that wasn't extremely rare or valuable at the time.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by Parksie » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:01 pm

marqueemoon wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:46 am

The level of snark in this thread has gotten weird.

It’s clearly a refin and looks to be an old one. The seller put the OP in touch with a person who claimed to be the original owner who told them when they remembered having the work done.

Could that story be bullshit? Sure. Does it mean anything in terms of the guitar’s value? Not really.

I think in the age of soaring vintage prices and flowery descriptions (“beautifully restored to its original color by SO-AND-SO!!!1”) we’ve all gotten a bit cynical.

Mate you're not wrong however it's just not weird its more like bullying and aggressive behaviour.

To be 100% clear the seller didn't put me in touch with the original owner. The original owners name was stencilled onto the case back in 1962 when he got the guitar brand new.

I had to go through the phone book and call a dozen people before I finally spoke to the original owners sister in law and she gave me the owners phone number.

The original owner couldn't believe it when I told him I now owned his guitar because he sold it in 1969 and as I said he's almost 80 now.

So its not bullshit. Its a great story that I was more than happy to share on this forum however next time I'll probably keep it all to myself.

I feel like I have been personally abused unnecessarily and without provocation.

There are always a few 'big swinging dicks' on forums who think they run the place and frankly I've had a pretty shit experience being on this forum due to them.

I'm surprised all the other decent folks here don't tell them to shut the FU. You all seem to just put up with their comments and allow anything to be said.

Perhaps the moderators should get involved as the nasty comments surely cant be great for the forum or for any future members.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by Parksie » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:06 pm

tribi9 wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:58 pm
PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:46 am
Parksie wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:01 pm


Yes it seems likely but it’s still a keeper.
;D :fp:

How much did it go for?
Sold to the current owner aka the OP. So there's nothing to gain by lying about it.

The story is nothing out of the ordinary, someone doing a refin on a guitar that wasn't extremely rare or valuable at the time.

Finally, someone with a clear understanding of what Ive been saying. Thank you.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:13 pm

For the record, I never really doubted the provenance of the guitar. I was more concerned with the idea of believing a story (not necessarily yours) just because it was from the words of an 80 year old mouth.

Also, and you should maybe take this on board, from all your questions & separate threads, you sounded like someone looking to make a profit from selling the guitar after you'd bought it. It happens a lot, here there & everywhere.

Finally, don't knock the mods. They do a sterling job, for free, and this is the best guitar forum out there. In fact the vast majority of folk here are good, genuine people. There are several folk I'd consider experts who frequently chime in on amp, guitar & effects questions. The mods do lock threads but it's rare. Most of the macho rock assholes, easily triggered & looking for a fight, come & go very quickly.

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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:17 pm

...and...how much did the guitar go for?

Being the owner of a similar era & refinished Jazzmaster, it's always good to keep up with the Joneses.
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Re: Should I return my 1961 Jazzmaster to it's original colour?

Post by JSett » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:59 am

Parksie wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:01 pm

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bullying and aggressive behaviour.

....

nasty comments
I can't see anywhere where people have been nasty, bullying or aggressive to you anywhere in your posts
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