No re-fin should ever be priced higher than a reasonable condition original sunburst of the same year

[graceless]

And yet...
People either sell them higher or they keep paying for them, because they keep selling.
Give me a beat up sunburst over a pristine or 'relic'd' refin of the same year any time.
Am I insane?

[s_mcsleazy]

i think part of it might be similar to the classic car market. a popular colour, even if it wasn't the original to some folk will always be worth more than the original colour that might have been unpopular. your chevy nova might have it's original brown paint, but most people don't want brown, they want the exciting colours like red and blue.

but yeah, i do think it's kinda insane the rates some refins are going for, i think the dudes at mike and mike's guitar bar probably hasn't helped, i've noticed a lot of the refins they sell are at crazy prices. granted, i've noticed they sell a lot of guitars at crazy prices.
https://mmguitarbar.com/products/1966-f ... ack-w-case

[RIORIO]

Lol I remember seeing that jag on Seattle Craigslist for like $2k. Their prices are absolutely abhorrent.

[savantjk]

I like that wide range equipped MIJ that was released last week for like 1700 shipped and they just posted one today for $2800 and $125 for shipping.

[s_mcsleazy]

i've also seen some of the guitars they're selling on ishibashi. kinda funny when $750+$100 shipping turns into $1100

ok, i finally found something i know the comparison for. 2 years ago, my friend bought a fender super six in really good condition for $800. my friend told me the dude couldn't sell the guitar at the asking price of $1000 so they dropped it to $800. they're selling one for $1900

[Mechanical Birds]

I understand shops have to make money but there’s no way they aren’t quadrupling their money on everything. Probably even worse a lot of the time.

[JagChat]

I agree - a worn Sunburst guitar is much higher on my list than a new recon on Custom colors.
Is it because the refins are getting more expensive? What’s the average cost of a body refin these days?

[N0_Camping4U]

It's Mike and Mike. Fuck them. Does anyone like them? I shit on them all the time. I love another post allowing me to shit on them. They got a Marauder from RIO that was FS here for like 1,500 and sold it for 3,000. A partscaster. I know they gotta make profits, but they're driving up the market at an insane rate. 'vintage' 1998 MIJ Jaguars for 2,500. Get outta here.

[marqueemoon]

This is how capitalism works?

[beauzooka]

This is how capitalism works?

Yup. M&M sell guitars like hotcakes, even at those prices.
OSG bellyaching ain’t slowing them down one bit - nor the 100’s of other fancy guitar dealers around the globe.

[marqueemoon]

This is how capitalism works?

Yup. M&M sell guitars like hotcakes, even at those prices.
OSG bellyaching ain’t slowing them down one bit.

Free advertising.

[beauzooka]

This is how capitalism works?

Yup. M&M sell guitars like hotcakes, even at those prices.
OSG bellyaching ain’t slowing them down one bit.

Free advertising.

[JSett]

This is how capitalism works?

Yup. M&M sell guitars like hotcakes, even at those prices.
OSG bellyaching ain’t slowing them down one bit - nor the 100’s of other fancy guitar dealers around the globe.

They do seem to have slowed down the sales on some of the more outlandishly priced items. They have a LPB 64 Jag I really want... But it's priced at something insane like $13'000. If it was closer to $7-9000 I might be tempted to offload a couple of guitars to pay for it but that asking price is too rich for my blood. I only paid $8000 total for both my 65 & 67 this year!

[Tiny C]

Yup. M&M sell guitars like hotcakes, even at those prices.
OSG bellyaching ain’t slowing them down one bit.

Free advertising.

It's capitalism for sure, but in my mind it's different from the kind of capitalism that drove people like Thomas Edison and Leo Fender do brilliant things that make our lives better. I look at them as basically a marketing firm that focuses on the vintage guitar market. Their contribution seems to be finding decent deals on vintage guitars, taking better pictures than the craigslist/ebay ad, and hiring an English major to write an over-the-top, flowery description of the guitar that reads like a Lexus commercial. And for that contribution people are paying them ~50% more than the guitar would go for elsewhere. At these prices they're not exactly exploiting the poor and needy, and I don't hold it against them - it's just an interesting way to make a living.

(Now if they really are a guitar "bar" and they get folks liquored up before trying to sell them a guitar at an inflated price, that business plan would make more sense to me. )

[SignoftheDragon]

At these prices they're not exactly exploiting the poor and needy, and I don't hold it against them - it's just an interesting way to make a living.

But they ARE exploiting the poor & needy. Us poor OSG folks who NEED another vintage offset!

The bastards.