1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

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1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by SashaB » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:54 am

Hi All,

Thinking to purchase a 1964 Jazzmaster.
The only issue is that the headstock is completely missing anything except "Fender".
Otherwise, the guitar looks to be completely original.
How does it devalue the guitar and what would be the reasonable price?

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by sal paradise » Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:22 am

How do we even know this is a Jazzmaster? :-/
I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion?

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by Axolotl » Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:35 am

sal paradise wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:22 am
How do we even know this is a Jazzmaster? :-/
The prefix "4" in the neck stamp indicates so. Also the headstock curvature looks legit.

IMHO the guitar looks checks out. About the decal, maybe it's got a neck refin or they decided to replace the original JM decal for some reason?

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by PJazzmaster » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:26 am

I‘d ask for a blacklight picture
However, that missing decal pieces would bother me far less than additional routings or so.
It looks cool

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by SashaB » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:58 am

Sorry, don't fully understand what a blacklight picture should say here?

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by PJazzmaster » Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:35 am

SashaB wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:58 am
Sorry, don't fully understand what a blacklight picture should say here?
I’d expect that UV light is showing the outlines of the original decal and should help finding out whether the remaining „Fender“ is the remaining piece of the original decal or got applied later

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by ainm » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:05 pm

I’m no expert, but is that decal is anywhere near the location needed to be able to fit the missing piece? Seems both too high and too far right.

That aside, lovely looking guitar. The logo wouldn’t bother me at all. Kind of like it, tbh.

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by PJazzmaster » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:22 pm

ainm wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:05 pm
I’m no expert, but is that decal is anywhere near the location needed to be able to fit the missing piece? Seems both too high and too far right.
Actually it‘s more or less totally in the right spot for that era. Check: 1965 JM

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by ainm » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:34 pm

PJazzmaster wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:22 pm
ainm wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:05 pm
I’m no expert, but is that decal is anywhere near the location needed to be able to fit the missing piece? Seems both too high and too far right.
Actually it‘s more or less totally in the right spot for that era. Check: 1965 JM
So it is! My eyes were probably filling it in at the angle I think I’ve seen them sitting at when lower down, which isn’t the angle it’s at at all.

Definitely get why you suggested blacklight now.

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by B.T. » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:57 pm

PJazzmaster wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:22 pm
ainm wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:05 pm
I’m no expert, but is that decal is anywhere near the location needed to be able to fit the missing piece? Seems both too high and too far right.
Actually it‘s more or less totally in the right spot for that era. Check: 1965 JM
Yep, it just looks weirdly out of place with the rest of it worn off

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by marqueemoon » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:05 pm

The sunburst looks sus to me. The red band should be wider and less pronounced.

If the body has been refinished the neck could have been too.

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by Guitarman555 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:59 am

Hey mate, decal is tha last thing that you should be interested in. If other parts are original, go for it!

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by Guitarman555 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:00 am

I would ask the seller for pics from inside, I means pickups, they should inlcude yellow ink stamps with date. What is beginning of serial number? If all this sits together with the neck stamp, it should be fine.

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Post by Guitarman555 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:02 am

It has that cool 1964 blond case, another prove that dating should be right.

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Re: 1964 Jazzmaster - thinking to purchase (logo problem)

Post by SashaB » Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:09 am

Hi all,
got some further photos of the guitar's inside.
So the pots are marked with 6419 (May),
one pickup has a proper yellow stamp from November
another has a pencil writing (suspicious?)
And the body I was told has no date (no photo under the bridge provided), but the neck pocket coloring looks consistent?
serial number starts with L43...

To me the span of the dates look too large, isn't it?
Too many red-flags for me in total... Or persuade me in the opposite ;)
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