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Post by BlixaFan » Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:24 pm

Foo Fighters - i started playing guitar when i discovered Nirvana at 10 years of age, and here i am nearly 25 years later still playing guitar. so naturally i have a soft spot for Dave Grohl. Love him as a drummer, he seems like a genuinely nice guy, and i really liked the Foo Fighters when i was a teen, but i sort of fell off the boat after In Your Honor. Love the first two albums though to this day!
I've seen them live a few times, and they are absolutely rock solid killer. But i don't go out of my way to see them.

Chili Peppers - absolutely love BSSM, LOVE John Frusciante, huge guitar influence for me...haven't been interested in anything after Stadium Arcadium. which was 2006... I am very curious to hear the new album as John is back, and i'll listen to it for him. But i could probably do without Anthony :D

Genesis - absolutely love them up until Duke, which is a phenomenal album. Phil is by far one of my favorite drummers ever, he's absolutely phenomenal. Peter Gabriel is one of my favorites too. But when things got a little too mainstream pop, with very very heavy 80s production that sounds dated today, that's where I cut them off.

Matthew Good - loved Beautiful Midnight, enjoyed a fair bit of Matt's solo stuff, particularly the first 3 albums after MGB, but it turns out he's a pretty shit person, and it makes me never want to listen to it again.

Noir Desir - LOVE them. LOVE Bertrand Cantat's voice and emotion, and his solo stuff too. But conflicted due to Marie Trintignant.

Limp Bizkit - enjoyed them in Junior High (was more of a Korn fan though, found them more interesting, darker, heavier), but to this day, Wes Borland. What the hell is he doing there. lol (rhetorical... i'd do it too if i had fun playing music and made solid money on it too, Nookie or not)

Marilyn Manson - love Antichrist Superstar, Holy Wood, but conflicted as it sounds like he's a pretty shit person too.

Tool - fantastic musicians, Maynard is awesome, they are all awesome. I can only listen to them so much though. I find them....boring. (i know. blasphemy)

Van Halen - Eddie is one of my idols. unbelievable guitarist, love him to this day. cannot ever get past the lyrics though whenever I listen to Van Halen, especially the Hagar era stuff. haha.

Regarding Idles - didn't get them until their last album. LOVE IT. Killer attitude. cool band. all good in my books.

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Post by Plumerai » Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:58 am

Danzig - I like his music through the 2nd solo album. I can get past his corny persona, but seeing him stop a show to have bouncers grab a bootlegger & then going on a rant about people selling Danzig bootlegs at fleamarkets was unforgettable. He also said something about killing preps. I don't think I've heard anyone say that since the mid 80's.

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Post by Pepe Silvia » Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:24 am

Weezer they have both produced some of the best and some of the worst music of the last 30 years. Blue Album and Pinkerton Era will always be special to me.

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Post by shoule79 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:11 am

BlixaFan wrote:
Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:24 pm

Matthew Good - loved Beautiful Midnight, enjoyed a fair bit of Matt's solo stuff, particularly the first 3 albums after MGB, but it turns out he's a pretty shit person, and it makes me never want to listen to it again.
Matt was always a bit of an asshole, he just happened to have some pretty good hot takes back in the day. Seeing them live Dave didn't seem to care for or interact with Matt much. Reading his book and watching music videos (school girls, girls in club dresses beating him up, the song and video for "the future is x-rated") it was weird how he had an undercurrent of a porn obsession and usually had degradation themes in videos. The chapter where he talks about porn stars in his book always struck me as WTF? I never made it to the solo stuff with him.

Him coming forward about mental issues, and then the reports of him being manipulative did not surprise me in the least. I mentioned Mark Kozelek earlier in another post, and I think he's similar to Matt. What worked when he was in his 20's did not work as he aged, and by middle age as it got pathetic he got angry.

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Post by cestlamort » Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:47 am

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Feeling pretty conflicted about Beach House at the moment.

As I told my bandmates Once Twice Melody sounds like it could have been written by AI that analyzed all of their previous work. I really like 7 for how dark and strange it gets, but I don’t see them making something like that again.

And no 1 on the Billboard album charts this week. Crazy. (Good for them).

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Post by marqueemoon » Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:40 am

cestlamort wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:47 am
marqueemoon wrote:
Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:24 pm
Feeling pretty conflicted about Beach House at the moment.

As I told my bandmates Once Twice Melody sounds like it could have been written by AI that analyzed all of their previous work. I really like 7 for how dark and strange it gets, but I don’t see them making something like that again.

And no 1 on the Billboard album charts this week. Crazy. (Good for them).
It goes down easy. That’s what people want right now, myself included.

Not their best though.

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Post by cestlamort » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:42 pm

marqueemoon wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:40 am
cestlamort wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:47 am
marqueemoon wrote:
Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:24 pm
Feeling pretty conflicted about Beach House at the moment.

As I told my bandmates Once Twice Melody sounds like it could have been written by AI that analyzed all of their previous work. I really like 7 for how dark and strange it gets, but I don’t see them making something like that again.

And no 1 on the Billboard album charts this week. Crazy. (Good for them).
It goes down easy. That’s what people want right now, myself included.

Not their best though.
Their set at the S>P anniversary a few years back (sunset on Alki) was amazing, but their albums are all just okay to pretty great. "Mascarade" reminds me of Enigma and the like.

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Post by blacktiger » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:05 pm

Ditto to Kozelek and Morrissey. John Lydon’s become a jackass recently too, but it’s hard to tell with him when he really means something and when he’s just intentionally being difficult because he thinks that’s what punk is.

It should go without saying, but I have a problem with Nazis, which apparently some people have a much higher tolerance for. That has led to me just avoiding most black metal. It takes a lot of research to figure out which bands I am willing to support financially and which I’m not. That said, as long as there is no clear hate speech involved, I will listen to that stuff for free without worrying too much about it, as long as the band isn’t profiting from me listening.
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Post by marqueemoon » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:06 pm

cestlamort wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:42 pm
marqueemoon wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:40 am
cestlamort wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:47 am


And no 1 on the Billboard album charts this week. Crazy. (Good for them).
It goes down easy. That’s what people want right now, myself included.

Not their best though.
Their set at the S>P anniversary a few years back (sunset on Alki) was amazing, but their albums are all just okay to pretty great. "Mascarade" reminds me of Enigma and the like.
I was there. That was an incredible show. Mostly material from 7.

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Post by andy_tchp » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:19 pm

blacktiger wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:05 pm
Ditto to Kozelek and Morrissey. John Lydon’s become a jackass recently too, but it’s hard to tell with him when he really means something and when he’s just intentionally being difficult because he thinks that’s what punk is.
I've come to think he's actually a genuinely shit person rather than it being any kind of 'persona'.
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Post by s_mcsleazy » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:49 pm

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Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:05 pm
Ditto to Kozelek and Morrissey. John Lydon’s become a jackass recently too, but it’s hard to tell with him when he really means something and when he’s just intentionally being difficult because he thinks that’s what punk is.

It should go without saying, but I have a problem with Nazis, which apparently some people have a much higher tolerance for. That has led to me just avoiding most black metal. It takes a lot of research to figure out which bands I am willing to support financially and which I’m not. That said, as long as there is no clear hate speech involved, I will listen to that stuff for free without worrying too much about it, as long as the band isn’t profiting from me listening.
my friend describes black metal as "the final boss of separating art from the artist" which i kinda agree with.
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Post by fuzzjunkie » Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:28 pm

U2. Always liked the guitar and drums, even when they became an overproduced arena band, but the lyrics and bellowing got too trite after their Berlin album.

The Cure. Cut that granny mop and stop wearing makeup Bob. They were excellent for a good 20 years but now just a parody.

The Libertines and Ryan Adams. A great album or 2 and then they turned out to be angry alcoholic little shits with drug and girl problems. Not any better than Led Zeppelin at this point.

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Post by blacktiger » Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:31 pm

s_mcsleazy wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:49 pm
blacktiger wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:05 pm
It should go without saying, but I have a problem with Nazis, which apparently some people have a much higher tolerance for. That has led to me just avoiding most black metal. It takes a lot of research to figure out which bands I am willing to support financially and which I’m not. That said, as long as there is no clear hate speech involved, I will listen to that stuff for free without worrying too much about it, as long as the band isn’t profiting from me listening.
my friend describes black metal as "the final boss of separating art from the artist" which i kinda agree with.
All too accurate. I can’t think of another genre that’s as much of a minefield. I’m pretty crap at separating the art from the artist when it comes to stuff like straight-up naziism and white supremacy. I grew up on very lefty anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-sexist punk and hardcore, and that left an indelible mark on me. I’m always shocked when I see people fawning over trash like Burzum. That MFer is a literal murderer and self-professed nazi. I can’t even really enjoy that for free. Varg is just too vile. Sometimes I feel like people see him as a lovable bad boy, but he’s just straight human garbage IMO.

Some people also just like to stick their heads in the sand. Somehow, I missed the whole Bad Brains/Big Boys beef in the ‘80s, and I was pretty shocked and disappointed when I found out about it in the internet age. Thank Jah that Bad Brains finally came to their senses and renounced that shit. I never stopped loving their music, but thinking of them as homophobes and religious zealots really bummed me out, as did seeing people who I knew were decent and NOT homophobic zealots bending over backwards to defend them in a way they would not have done for 99% of other bands.
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Post by Whiny Minotaur » Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:18 am

1. Ariel Pink: Classic case of a great artist but shit person.

2. Interpol: I maintain that they still write great music, but they make so many weird career choices to the point that it feels borderline self-sabotage. Playing bad, short shows which are rushed to the point of collapse in a bad way, choosing awful songs as lead singles... I don't know if it's a label or management problem, but it's frustrating to see.

3. Death Grips: I bounce between loving and heavily disliking their music on a regular basis. Also, their fanbase is awful.

Regarding John Lydon... I don't think he ever wasn't a jackass. The only time I recall that he ever made a real effort to distance himself from the persona was during the first two or three PiL albums. He certainly reached new lows these days though.
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Post by cestlamort » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:27 pm

s_mcsleazy wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:49 pm

my friend describes black metal as "the final boss of separating art from the artist" which i kinda agree with.
I love this so much.

Lots of talented musicians are very untalented human beings, unfortunately.

Good to hear that Bad Brains are maybe less strident (I actually stopped listening to them after the "don't blow no bubbles" song on Quickness, or at least with less engagement). (update: a friendster linked this article today on myfacejournal, worth a read: https://afropunk.com/2019/02/bhm-the-ag ... brains-fan)

X. Love them, but have to bracket out Billy Zoom's politics and whatever is going under Exene's tinfoil MAGA hat.

Killing Joke would be another one for the great band, not great people file. But I was never as (emotionally/culturally/etc.) invested in them as others, so it's not as big a leap.

A different tact on conflicted feelings: I haven't been able to listen to Elliott Smith at all since he died.
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