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JSett
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by JSett » Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:47 am
s_mcsleazy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:37 am
given pop-punk evolved from skatepunk and there is a lot of overlap between the two, at what point do you say something is no longer one or the other? i think it's cultural but no one could even agree what that culture was.
I've had this same discussion many times and there's no definite answer. I wouldn't even say Pop-punk evolved from Skatepunk, just two branches of the same tree constantly interweaving as it grows. One could argue pop-punk started with The Buzzcocks, or modern pop-punk starting with the Gilman St Green Day/etc crew. There's too much crossover to distinguish categorically. It's almost certainly down to the 'vibe' - which is a moveable, subjective and intangible concept. Very early Blink 182 was skatepunk, even some Green Day is skatepunk. Some NOFX is pop-punk.
For me, well, I guess it's down to the drums. If >50% of a bands catalogue is at that double-time +200bpm D-Beat thing then it's likely to be categorised as Skatepunk to me.
I have had similar drunken debates/arguments with my wife about emo. I'm 40, she's 35. Our definitions and 'lines in the sand' are very different
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by s_mcsleazy » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:13 am
johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:47 am
s_mcsleazy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:37 am
given pop-punk evolved from skatepunk and there is a lot of overlap between the two, at what point do you say something is no longer one or the other? i think it's cultural but no one could even agree what that culture was.
I've had this same discussion many times and there's no definite answer. I wouldn't even say Pop-punk evolved from Skatepunk, just two branches of the same tree constantly interweaving as it grows. One could argue pop-punk started with The Buzzcocks, or modern pop-punk starting with the Gilman St Green Day/etc crew. There's too much crossover to distinguish categorically. It's almost certainly down to the 'vibe' - which is a moveable, subjective and intangible concept. Very early Blink 182 was skatepunk, even some Green Day is skatepunk. Some NOFX is pop-punk.
For me, well, I guess it's down to the drums. If >50% of a bands catalogue is at that double-time +200bpm D-Beat thing then it's likely to be categorised as Skatepunk to me.
I have had similar drunken debates/arguments with my wife about emo. I'm 40, she's 35. Our definitions and 'lines in the sand' are very different
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nope, me and my friends have got into that same argument about emo too. personally, like with post-hardcore, i like to divide it into waves.
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by JSett » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:40 am
s_mcsleazy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:13 am
nope, me and my friends have got into that same argument about emo too. personally, like with post-hardcore, i like to divide it into waves.
Agreed, it's the easiest way. With Emo it's even easier as it stopped after 2003
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by LVC » Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 am
LVC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:11 pm
Leonard Cohen - Famous blue raincoat
Bob Dylan - Don't think twice, it's alright
The Cure - Apart
John Cameron Mitchell - The origin of love from the Hedwig & the angry inch OST
M Ward's cover of Bowie's Let's dance
Oh I almost forgot...
TV Smith - Soon As I Found It I Lost It
As survivors of UK 1st wave punk bands go TV Smith is the exact opposite of Johnny "I'm-a-MAGA-shithead-now" Rotten. I haven't got many musical heroes but he's definitely one of them.
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by BTL » Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:10 pm
Death Cab for Cutie - I will follow you into the dark
Dawes - A little bit of everything
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by PorkyPrimeCut » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:05 pm
LVC wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 am
Leonard Cohen - Famous blue raincoat...
This song reminds me so much of my mum it's ridiculous. She frequently played the album it was from when I was a kid.
So, I've a feeling that one day this track may become a bit of a tear-jerker too.
I actually love singing & playing it on acoustic.
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by HedonismBot » Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:29 pm
Unwound - Arboretum
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This solo performance has an especially strong tear-jerking effect on me, for some reason:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GtRRGsCQLUs
Just thought of a few more:
Flipper - Life;
Slint - Washer;
Charley Patton - Prayer of Death (and a lot of other Delta Blues, actually);
This version of Something in the Way:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOE5h6DVeDI
I’m a rather emotionally dry person in general, I would say. But I’ve definitely cried the most in my adult life while listening to music (if not exclusively while listening to music).
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by shoule79 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:01 pm
This makes me cry, probably for different reasons than others here are moved to tears.
https://youtu.be/G_zuB-ogIBw
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by shoule79 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:27 pm
johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:40 am
s_mcsleazy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:13 am
nope, me and my friends have got into that same argument about emo too. personally, like with post-hardcore, i like to divide it into waves.
Agreed, it's the easiest way. With Emo it's even easier as it stopped after 2003
My wife and I are on differing opinions on this. I tapped out around the first Taking Back Sunday album, with the last album of that wave I really liked being Saves the Day's Stay what you are (2001), she tends to like it till up around 2008 or so. We both tend to favor the mid - late 90's stuff.
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by JSett » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:35 pm
shoule79 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:27 pm
johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:40 am
With Emo it's even easier as it stopped after 2003
My wife and I are on differing opinions on this. I tapped out around the first Taking Back Sunday album, with the last album of that wave I really liked being Saves the Day's Stay what you are (2001), she tends to like it till up around 2008 or so. We both tend to favor the mid - late 90's stuff.
I'd be inclined to draw the line in about the same place to be honest... about the time Emo Diaries: Chapter 6 was released.
Might go spin some Benton Falls to reminisce
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by Larry Mal » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:42 pm
Back in those days, everyone knew that if you were talking about Destiny's Child, you were talking about Beyonce, LaTavia, LeToya, and Larry.
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by JSett » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:00 pm
If you're in the right/wrong frame of mind, most of Sunny Day's catalogue can be emotionally destructive.
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by shoule79 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:00 pm
johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:35 pm
shoule79 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:27 pm
johnnysomersett wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:40 am
With Emo it's even easier as it stopped after 2003
My wife and I are on differing opinions on this. I tapped out around the first Taking Back Sunday album, with the last album of that wave I really liked being Saves the Day's Stay what you are (2001), she tends to like it till up around 2008 or so. We both tend to favor the mid - late 90's stuff.
I'd be inclined to draw the line in about the same place to be honest... about the time Emo Diaries: Chapter 6 was released.
Might go spin some Benton Falls to reminisce
Lol, I forgot that Emo Diaries was a thing. That’s where I first heard Benton Falls too.
Now I’m spinning the first Planes Mistaken for Stars ep…
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by JSett » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:35 pm
shoule79 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:00 pm
Lol, I forgot that Emo Diaries was a thing. That’s where I first heard Benton Falls too.
Now I’m spinning the first Planes Mistaken for Stars ep…
Same here. I somehow managed to get a hold of their 'Guilt Beats Hate' record on LP not long after it came out and it's probably been on the turntable at least once a month ever since. A real forgotten gem. Planes Mistaken For Stars randomly played a dive bar here in the UK about 6 or 7 years ago....that was weird.
97-2002 was a great era to be in your late-teens/early 20s with regards music. Riot Grrrl, 3rd Wave emo, skatepunk, post-hardcore...lots of amazing stuff kicking about and the birth of the era of obscure music being more easily accessible thanks to the internet.
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