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We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by sal paradise » Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:27 am

Expanding from the gas thread… A couple of years ago I sold all my pedals & PT2 as it was too heavy to lug about London. I bought a Boss MS-3 to fix all my problems: a bag of tricks on a much smaller/lighter board.

Turns out I’m just not a multi-fx person. When I can’t tweak on the fly, I just ignore it. And that means I’ve basically stopped using pedals. And I love delay so it’s heartbreaking.

Time to put together a new board! I have drives & a tuner, but everything else I’m up for experimenting.

Might be similar to the ambient board thread as those are my kinda jam. I think this would cover a lot of ground- any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated:

- Digital delay
- Analogue delay
- Reverb w/ shimmer
- Tremolo (probably TR2 for the helicopter)
- Chorus
I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion?

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by Unicorn Warrior » Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:56 am

sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:27 am
Expanding from the gas thread… A couple of years ago I sold all my pedals & PT2 as it was too heavy to lug about London. I bought a Boss MS-3 to fix all my problems: a bag of tricks on a much smaller/lighter board.

Turns out I’m just not a multi-fx person. When I can’t tweak on the fly, I just ignore it. And that means I’ve basically stopped using pedals. And I love delay so it’s heartbreaking.

Time to put together a new board! I have drives & a tuner, but everything else I’m up for experimenting.

Might be similar to the ambient board thread as those are my kinda jam. I think this would cover a lot of ground- any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated:

- Digital delay
- Analogue delay
- Reverb w/ shimmer
- Tremolo (probably TR2 for the helicopter)
- Chorus
For simplicities sake:

DD-3
Carbon Copy
Neunaber (the multi-otption one)
TR-2
CE-2w

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by sal paradise » Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:04 am

Unicorn Warrior wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:56 am
For simplicities sake:

DD-3
Carbon Copy
Neunaber (the multi-otption one)
TR-2
CE-2w
Ooh, the Neunaber looks awesome.

Simplicity is what I’m looking for. And had no idea about the CE-2w. That could be perfect. Cheers!
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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by MrShake » Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:48 am

Hey, good for trying something else.

For "basic, good sounding stuff", I might suggest a Boss Digital Delay, a Memory Boy or Carbon Copy for the analog delay, and maybe for the chorus, I'd actually suggest a flanger? Turn down everything but rate and depth and you're in chorus territory, and flange as a bonus sound. I have a BF-2 and a Donner DEM clone for that spot and they do great at both.

Good luck!

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:41 am

Simplicity is great, but what's your budget?
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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by sal paradise » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:43 am

MrShake wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:48 am
maybe for the chorus, I'd actually suggest a flanger? Turn down everything but rate and depth and you're in chorus territory, and flange as a bonus sound. I have a BF-2 and a Donner DEM clone for that spot and they do great at both.
Just been looking at some videos on this trick. Never thought about it before and totally makes sense, thanks for pointing it out.

I was thinking about a phaser, so could use subtle flange instead and not need another pedal.
I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion?

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by sal paradise » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:46 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:41 am
Simplicity is great, but what's your budget?
Well, I was considering the Pink Flow… a few of the pedals will be pretty easy to get 2nd hand, so definitely budget for a boutique item or two.
I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion?

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by MrShake » Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:07 am

sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:43 am
MrShake wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:48 am
maybe for the chorus, I'd actually suggest a flanger? Turn down everything but rate and depth and you're in chorus territory, and flange as a bonus sound. I have a BF-2 and a Donner DEM clone for that spot and they do great at both.
Just been looking at some videos on this trick. Never thought about it before and totally makes sense, thanks for pointing it out.

I was thinking about a phaser, so could use subtle flange instead and not need another pedal.
I'm a big proponent of flange for those three sounds - liquidy classic flange, shimmery chorus, and a slooooow flange like some people use a phaser. Again, it's all to taste, but I think the Boss BF-2 excels at those things - I think Prince used a BF-2 for his chorus tones? - and I found a $30 Eno/EX clone that does a really good job at doing it too. I haven't had the best luck with the brand, but I imagine there's some other off-brand imports that could give you an idea for it in the $20-$30 range, I'll see what else I can find.

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by sal paradise » Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:54 am

MrShake wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:07 am
sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:43 am
MrShake wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:48 am
maybe for the chorus, I'd actually suggest a flanger? Turn down everything but rate and depth and you're in chorus territory, and flange as a bonus sound. I have a BF-2 and a Donner DEM clone for that spot and they do great at both.
Just been looking at some videos on this trick. Never thought about it before and totally makes sense, thanks for pointing it out.

I was thinking about a phaser, so could use subtle flange instead and not need another pedal.
I'm a big proponent of flange for those three sounds - liquidy classic flange, shimmery chorus, and a slooooow flange like some people use a phaser. Again, it's all to taste, but I think the Boss BF-2 excels at those things - I think Prince used a BF-2 for his chorus tones? - and I found a $30 Eno/EX clone that does a really good job at doing it too. I haven't had the best luck with the brand, but I imagine there's some other off-brand imports that could give you an idea for it in the $20-$30 range, I'll see what else I can find.
Ok there’s no way I don’t want a BF-2 now, this video has changed my life
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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by thenewromance » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:22 am

sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:54 am
MrShake wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:07 am
sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:43 am


Just been looking at some videos on this trick. Never thought about it before and totally makes sense, thanks for pointing it out.

I was thinking about a phaser, so could use subtle flange instead and not need another pedal.
I'm a big proponent of flange for those three sounds - liquidy classic flange, shimmery chorus, and a slooooow flange like some people use a phaser. Again, it's all to taste, but I think the Boss BF-2 excels at those things - I think Prince used a BF-2 for his chorus tones? - and I found a $30 Eno/EX clone that does a really good job at doing it too. I haven't had the best luck with the brand, but I imagine there's some other off-brand imports that could give you an idea for it in the $20-$30 range, I'll see what else I can find.
Ok there’s no way I don’t want a BF-2 now, this video has changed my life
This video is good. I have a BF-2 in the attic that I bought years ago and never much used, and the video is why I'll get it up and running on a small board tomorrow.

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:42 am

sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:46 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:41 am
Simplicity is great, but what's your budget?
Well, I was considering the Pink Flow… a few of the pedals will be pretty easy to get 2nd hand, so definitely budget for a boutique item or two.
If you don't mind a little bit of cash (secondhand boutique prices), I'm thinking a Jam Pedals Delay Llama (think classic EHX DMM with tap tempo) for your analog delay. If you like choppy, yet flexible tremolo pedals, an EQD Hummingbird (with the flexi-switching, so V3) can do a lot of tremolo sounds.

I love the idea of the aforementioned flangers for flanging/rotary/chorus use.
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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by sal paradise » Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:00 pm

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:42 am
sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:46 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:41 am
Simplicity is great, but what's your budget?
Well, I was considering the Pink Flow… a few of the pedals will be pretty easy to get 2nd hand, so definitely budget for a boutique item or two.
If you don't mind a little bit of cash (secondhand boutique prices), I'm thinking a Jam Pedals Delay Llama (think classic EHX DMM with tap tempo) for your analog delay. If you like choppy, yet flexible tremolo pedals, an EQD Hummingbird (with the flexi-switching, so V3) can do a lot of tremolo sounds.

I love the idea of the aforementioned flangers for flanging/rotary/chorus use.
Yeah, Llama just sounds more fun than say, a carbon copy ;D

Just ordered an eno bf-2 for £30… can’t go wrong for that money
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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:22 pm

sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:00 pm
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:42 am
sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:46 am


Well, I was considering the Pink Flow… a few of the pedals will be pretty easy to get 2nd hand, so definitely budget for a boutique item or two.
If you don't mind a little bit of cash (secondhand boutique prices), I'm thinking a Jam Pedals Delay Llama (think classic EHX DMM with tap tempo) for your analog delay. If you like choppy, yet flexible tremolo pedals, an EQD Hummingbird (with the flexi-switching, so V3) can do a lot of tremolo sounds.

I love the idea of the aforementioned flangers for flanging/rotary/chorus use.
Yeah, Llama just sounds more fun than say, a carbon copy ;D

Just ordered an eno bf-2 for £30… can’t go wrong for that money
You can't beat that for sure!!!!!

Demos In The Dark - Jam Pedals Delay Llama Mk. 3

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by UlricvonCatalyst » Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:43 pm

If your budget will stretch to it, the new Boss Space Echo pedal looks mighty fine. Since you mentioned loving delay I doubt it would disappoint in either the analogue or digital spot on your board. Its tap tempo should see you past your aversion to the rate sub-divisions. And if your budget won't stretch, I can imagine some people will have upgraded from their RE-20s, so there might be a fair few of those on the second-hand market.

The Line6 DL4 remains a viable classic after all these years, but takes up a lot of real estate, and might not get along with all power supplies.

+1 on the CE-2w, or the BF-2/3. I really like the Dimension pedals (DC-2/3) too, but they're pricey; I can recommend the Behringer DC-3 clone (CD400 Chorus Space-D) which you might be able to find for substantially less - a very sweet-sounding pedal indeed, though not really a traditional chorus like the CE-2.

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Re: We will rebuild! (aka recovering from multi-fx)

Post by MrShake » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:44 pm

sal paradise wrote:
Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:00 pm
Just ordered an eno bf-2 for £30… can’t go wrong for that money
Sweet! Hope you dig it. Yeah, that video really drives home why I've loved mine for years!

It's funny, when I got mine ages ago, I liked it so much, I bought a second, it just clicked for me. It was back when GC didn't distinguish between used and vintage. The first one was a Y2K in great shape, with the box. The second one, no box, was the mintiest used pedal I've ever bought, with that "new paint" feeling, a black-knob 1982 MIJ. Both were $40. I bought my friend an MIT from '99 as a birthday gift in 2018, it was the same price.

Times have changed. The Eno will do the job admirably, if mine is any indication.

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