Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by øøøøøøø » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:30 am

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What a cool amp, and cool project. It's amazing that someone could go to all the trouble of designing and building this thing without bothering to organize the grounds in a sensible way. Realistically, how much time and effort could it have cost to ground it like you did in the first place? Seems like one of those "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" scenarios.
My sense is that the design engineer knew all of this, but that somewhere in production things got "streamlined" by someone who thought "one ground is as good as another." The electrolytic caps are two separate cans: one with power and output stage grounds, the other with preamp grounds and the preamp's power supply decoupling node.

The two cans are isolated from chassis to give control over where these return paths are routed and terminate. This gives so much potential to do it right! But somewhere along the line, it seems like someone just decided to hook 'em together with one piece of bus wire, tie this bus to the chassis literally wherever, and affix the input stage grounds to it while we're at it.

It was probably a little bit faster on the production line and required one or two fewer pieces of wire (maybe avoided the use of a single phenolic terminal), but way noisier.

Since these were mainly used for quick-and-dirty reference for in the field film editing, it's doubtful anyone cared or objected. They were never supposed to sound great... only just barely usable.

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by Maggieo » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:34 am

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A fine candidate for Tiny Amp Town!

They're not too expensive yet. But like anything even vaguely music-related prices have crept up over the past 24 months or so.
Where would I find one, Brad? Tiny Amp Town must be epic, after all.
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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by Maggieo » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:40 am

You know, I think I prefer the built-in speaker. It seems like the Orange cab cuts the midrange, and it loses its woodwind-like timbre.
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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by øøøøøøø » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:40 am

They pop up on Reverb and also eBay from time to time! Just search for "Moviola URS"

There's a "for parts or non-working" one on eBay right now that looks to be an early revision, I've kicked around the idea of getting it to see if I can get it going (like I need more amps...)

But the price they're asking is about what I'd expect to pay for a working example (of course they may have skyrocketed like everything else).

If you can find an unmodified one (i.e. no quarter-inch input) you can get it pretty cheaply, still. If you (or someone you know) can manage to drill a hole, add a quarter-inch jack and make a couple of solder connections, you can get it up and running (albeit a bit noisy) pretty easily.

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by øøøøøøø » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:41 am

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You know, I think I prefer the built-in speaker. It seems like the Orange cab cuts the midrange, and it loses its woodwind-like timbre.
I hear that! Part of that might be the Celestions.

Back in NYC I used to use it into an open-back 1x12 cab with a Jensen-like 12", and it kept a bit more of that glassy/round/reedy thing.

I just don't have such a cab here at my west coast home. Maybe I'll remedy that one day

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by Scout » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:54 am

Sounds great! The process of grounding guitar circuits is still ridiculously
archaic, I guess someone at some point added a grounded cord to that amp.

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by øøøøøøø » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:59 am

Scout wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:54 am
Sounds great! The process of grounding guitar circuits is still ridiculously
archaic, I guess someone at some point added a grounded cord to that amp.
This appears to be a slightly-later Moviola... mostly carbon film resistors inside. The 3-prong cord looks factory, but I suppose it could've been added. The amp was (otherwise) unmodified when I bought it; added the quarter-inch input myself.

My most-used Moviola (the one that lives at the studio I work from in NYC) has a 2-prong cord still, and is still factory-noisy.

Maybe next time I'm in town I'll blow that one apart, too.

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by Scout » Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:11 am

It needs this as an extension speaker to be period correct.
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Bell and Howell remote speaker from an institutional system
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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by MechaBulletBill » Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:22 pm

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Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:40 am
You know, I think I prefer the built-in speaker. It seems like the Orange cab cuts the midrange, and it loses its woodwind-like timbre.
yeah smaller speakers have a midrange bark that i really like.

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by JSett » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:03 pm

øøøøøøø wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:54 am
I'll make two.

Here's the internal 4" speaker. 1962 JM straight in. Original neck pickup, Novak stealth WRHB in the bridge. I switch between the two a bit and it should be fairly obvious where.

https://youtu.be/IRaPSpitqRk
Damn, that sounds way better than it has any right to.
Put me in the camp of wanting one as well 🤣
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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by hexes » Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:12 pm

øøøøøøø wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:54 am
I'll make two.

Here's the internal 4" speaker. 1962 JM straight in. Original neck pickup, Novak stealth WRHB in the bridge. I switch between the two a bit and it should be fairly obvious where.

https://youtu.be/IRaPSpitqRk
sounds fun. especially love the use of a beyer m88!

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Re: Making the Moviola URS usably-quiet

Post by øøøøøøø » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:22 am

hexes wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:12 pm
øøøøøøø wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:54 am
I'll make two.

Here's the internal 4" speaker. 1962 JM straight in. Original neck pickup, Novak stealth WRHB in the bridge. I switch between the two a bit and it should be fairly obvious where.

https://youtu.be/IRaPSpitqRk
sounds fun. especially love the use of a beyer m88!
It was already on a stand! Pretty useful little mic. Love it on toms, live vocal, sometimes bass drum, sometimes bass cab... occasionally guitar amp.

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