Re: What Amps have EL84 & 6V6 Tubes..
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:07 am
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Re-read every post i've made in this thread and maybe you'll be sure. In a Deluxe Reverb, say, the Normal and Vibrato channel share a common back end. They share a phase inverter, negative feedback circuit, power tubes, bias circuit, output transformer, and speaker. All of those things are very different on an AC30 and cannot be shared. Ive said it over and over again and you dont seem to grasp that. Ask your friend at Fender and they will tell you the same thing. Good luck on that quest.Larsongs wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:49 pmI’m not sure that there isn’t a way to do this that requires 2 separate Amps in the Box? A smart guy can probably come up with a work around.. Imagine a smart phone that could only be a phone. That’s how it used to be not that long ago.. But, smart guys can think up all kinds of things & do them really really well..
hahah exactly!
Its becoming very clear to me that you dont really know what you're talking about in terms of amp construction, and dont seem to accept the reality of what's being explained to you. It's nice that you "think there are different possibilities" but there arent (at least within the bounds of what has been discussed here).Larsongs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:54 amI remember when Computers were the size of a room, weighed tons & had very little power & ability.. Welcome to the 20th Century!
Wonder what Leo would think about how this can’t be done? It’s impossible! Heresy! It would have to weigh 60lbs & be as big as a Twin etc…
I’d almost bet there’s a guy who could come up with a couple standard size, weigh literally nothing, great sounding Pedals that would work with either a standard Fender or Vox Amp that could accomplish the goal. They could even be Tube Driven…
I think there are different possibilities…
I’m very surprised by the negative responses from you all…..
Ah, so now you're back to impossible.. I'm LOL as to your lack of so called "thinking outside the Box"...Dr Tony Balls wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:27 amIts becoming very clear to me that you dont really know what you're talking about in terms of amp construction, and dont seem to accept the reality of what's being explained to you. It's nice that you "think there are different possibilities" but there arent (at least within the bounds of what has been discussed here).Larsongs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:54 amI remember when Computers were the size of a room, weighed tons & had very little power & ability.. Welcome to the 20th Century!
Wonder what Leo would think about how this can’t be done? It’s impossible! Heresy! It would have to weigh 60lbs & be as big as a Twin etc…
I’d almost bet there’s a guy who could come up with a couple standard size, weigh literally nothing, great sounding Pedals that would work with either a standard Fender or Vox Amp that could accomplish the goal. They could even be Tube Driven…
I think there are different possibilities…
I’m very surprised by the negative responses from you all…..
ADDENDUM: I'm also LOL'ing hard at all the "what would Leo think" talk. He'd consult the RCA Receiving Tube Manual and realize these are physical impossibilities and get on with his life.
Because you've started talking about computers (which yes, also used to use vacuum tubes but moved to transistors a very very long time ago. Yes, way back in the 20th century).
I asked Joe about it and here's what he said:horseblanket wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:27 amThe Mesa Blue Angel fits that bill. It's what Joe Gore played on the old PJ Harvey stuff.
Out of production but you can find them used:
https://www.mesaboogie.com/support/out- ... angel.html
Joe Gore
Wow, great question. It was my sole amp during my PJ Harvey days. (Mine's been broken for years, and this is a good reminder to get it fixed.) It's basically Mesa's take on a Vox design, and it doesn't sound particularly "Mesa-like," though it has Mesa's usual build quality. (Yeah, mine broke, but it's 27 years old, and it saw heavy use.) The thing is, back when I got the amp, there weren't many Vox-style amp options, and being American, I didn't grow up with Voxes. So EL-84 amps, with their electrifying crackle and ultra-responsive dynamics, were a revelation. Nowadays there are so many cool Vox options, and I've been utterly smitten by my Carr Lincoln, Steve C's take on Vox designs. So I'm honestly not sure how much of my affection for the Blue Angel was about the amp specifically, and how much it was about new-for-me Vox sounds. BTW, I used the head-only version. My (strictly personal) preference is for lighter cabs with retro speakers, relative to most Mesa cabs.
That’s an interesting Amp! Checking the Site but does Mesa make something new like that now?Maggieo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:15 pmI asked Joe about it and here's what he said:horseblanket wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:27 amThe Mesa Blue Angel fits that bill. It's what Joe Gore played on the old PJ Harvey stuff.
Out of production but you can find them used:
https://www.mesaboogie.com/support/out- ... angel.html
Joe Gore
Wow, great question. It was my sole amp during my PJ Harvey days. (Mine's been broken for years, and this is a good reminder to get it fixed.) It's basically Mesa's take on a Vox design, and it doesn't sound particularly "Mesa-like," though it has Mesa's usual build quality. (Yeah, mine broke, but it's 27 years old, and it saw heavy use.) The thing is, back when I got the amp, there weren't many Vox-style amp options, and being American, I didn't grow up with Voxes. So EL-84 amps, with their electrifying crackle and ultra-responsive dynamics, were a revelation. Nowadays there are so many cool Vox options, and I've been utterly smitten by my Carr Lincoln, Steve C's take on Vox designs. So I'm honestly not sure how much of my affection for the Blue Angel was about the amp specifically, and how much it was about new-for-me Vox sounds. BTW, I used the head-only version. My (strictly personal) preference is for lighter cabs with retro speakers, relative to most Mesa cabs.
You know, I don't know. I think there might be a dual channel one.Larsongs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:35 pmThat’s an interesting Amp! Checking the Site but does Mesa make something new like that now?Maggieo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:15 pmI asked Joe about it and here's what he said:horseblanket wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:27 amThe Mesa Blue Angel fits that bill. It's what Joe Gore played on the old PJ Harvey stuff.
Out of production but you can find them used:
https://www.mesaboogie.com/support/out- ... angel.html
Joe Gore
Wow, great question. It was my sole amp during my PJ Harvey days. (Mine's been broken for years, and this is a good reminder to get it fixed.) It's basically Mesa's take on a Vox design, and it doesn't sound particularly "Mesa-like," though it has Mesa's usual build quality. (Yeah, mine broke, but it's 27 years old, and it saw heavy use.) The thing is, back when I got the amp, there weren't many Vox-style amp options, and being American, I didn't grow up with Voxes. So EL-84 amps, with their electrifying crackle and ultra-responsive dynamics, were a revelation. Nowadays there are so many cool Vox options, and I've been utterly smitten by my Carr Lincoln, Steve C's take on Vox designs. So I'm honestly not sure how much of my affection for the Blue Angel was about the amp specifically, and how much it was about new-for-me Vox sounds. BTW, I used the head-only version. My (strictly personal) preference is for lighter cabs with retro speakers, relative to most Mesa cabs.
They have several dual channel Amps, even 3 channels. But, I'm not seeing any that have the capability to play via EL84's & 6V6's individually & simultaneously with a Blend control like that Blue Angel had... There are a couple YouTubes that do a good job of demoing the Sound capabilities.. It's a really good sounding Amp in the YouTube..
H&K Triamp MkIIILarsongs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:31 pmThey have several dual channel Amps, even 3 channels. But, I'm not seeing any that have the capability to play via EL84's & 6V6's individually & simultaneously with a Blend control like that Blue Angel had... There are a couple YouTubes that do a good job of demoing the Sound capabilities.. It's a really good sounding Amp in the YouTube..