Who plays through a stereo rig??

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by jorri » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:18 am

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I just picked up an old Roland JC90 (2x10, successor to JC77, which I love) partly because it has a stereo fx loop return, which could potentially mean that I could run some stereo stuff (modulation, delays, etc) with just one amp. (Or two little Roland 2x10 amps in stereo could be interesting)

In my (limited) testing so far, everything is audible and sounds fine but almost sounds like the stereo stuff run into it has been summed, (it’s not a big amp and the speakers are close together), while the onboard chorus still has a much wider spread. It may simply be that they dialed in their chorus well (dry/wet I believe) while the wet/wet stuff I’m running into is just too close together physically (or sounds best with your nose pressed into the grille cloth)

On the other hand, we had our first practice since before times on Wednesday, and JC77 + super reverb at real (not residential / living room) volume is a glorious thing.
Ive never tried but just by the location of speakers i can tell proper stereo is not achievable.
Geomatrically the equilateral triangle rule of monitor speaker setup would suggest playing with your head about a foot away 😆 I dont know if any advantage doing parallel distortion so there is more speaker headroom though. OR using the bi-power-amp to hook up a second cab if possible. I was tempted to find a head version of a JC/peavey/ampeg for that reason but so rare at the moment! (Did the Ampeg ss-140c get a mention in JC120 clones yet?!)

Id imagine it could be handy in recording and micced situations though. Each side could then be panned into speakers that are on each side of your head, not <effectively in the same location>
The spill might even be kind of cool and binaural, but you can place a baffle between.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by mackerelmint » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:18 am

I've done it through a variety of two amp and stereo power amp setups. And boy, it just rules, dunnit?

Right now I've got some parts to put together a new and more powerful stereo power amp, still gotta figure out how I want it to be exactly, and if I'm being honest with myself it's well down my list of projects.

A pair of vox superbeatles is also very tempting...
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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by eggwheat » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:50 am

cestlamort wrote:
Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:20 am
JC77 + super reverb at real (not residential / living room) volume is a glorious thing.
Same... JC160 + Peavey Musician MkIII 4x12 for years. Nowadays a smaller rig... JC-77 + 1979 Vibrolux, not that I play live any more :fp:

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by MrShake » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:07 am

Was amazed how much I liked trying stereo for the first time.

I've got a pair of the ADA "split stack" cabs, vertical 2x12. Even next to each other (like a typical half stack), running stereo out of a Quadraverb gave a 3D effect I couldn't believe. Perfect for my big washy shoegaze rig. Separating them on stage was bonkers.

I liked it so much for big swirly ambience that I started bringing a second little combo to live shows for my "garage punk" band, too. Just stereo out of the reverb at the end of my chain (an RV-2) into 2 amps makes me sound HUGE, even when the amps are only stacked on top of each other.

I'd always thought it was the province of fiddly overthinkers along with wet/dry/wet and the like, but maybe I was totally wrong, because it's a great way to sound massive when deployed tastefully.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by mackerelmint » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:07 pm

^^^

Definitely. And another trick I picked up (here on OSG, I think) to help sound even more massive-er is to eq the amps so it's scooped on one side and humped on the other.
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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by 46346 » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:36 pm

mackerelmint wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:07 pm
^^^

Definitely. And another trick I picked up (here on OSG, I think) to help sound even more massive-er is to eq the amps so it's scooped on one side and humped on the other.
indeed for many years my trademark sound was a scoopy blackface Fender with an Ampeg or Vox 15 watt humpy helper. no EQ needed, each amp was born that way!

i could 'channel switch' between them, but on most club gigs i just ran them both full time, from the stereo outs of my delay or reverb.
where i stood, i could revel in some spacious delay. don't know if anyone else could, but i still find it inspiring.
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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by UlricvonCatalyst » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:09 am

In my first band we often had two guitars going into separate channels of the same amp. Does that count? :D

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by Kinx » Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:47 am

I'm using a "double mono" setup, basically a Teisco Checkmate 20 with WGS ET65 speaker or JCM 800 2204 through 1x12 with Black Shadow C90 to complement my main amp, Mesa/Boogie Mark I combo. I'm using a combination of Fender ABY and custom made transformer/ground separation box to get rid of hum, basically a poor man's Radial Bigshot.

The main reason behind lugging two amps around is my paranoia, we did a live radio show couple of years ago and the Mesa just died during the second song. It is a fairly reliable and well built amp otherwise, but it is old and battered, so I'm more comfortable using two amps. There were couple of shows since when the second amp died and Mesa soldiered on :D The sound is bigger this way as well. There are however many phase issues possible if our sound guy isn't present, so right now I'm working on a bulletproof setup with two mooer radars in place of traditional mics.
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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by jorri » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:14 am

46346 wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:36 pm
mackerelmint wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:07 pm
^^^

Definitely. And another trick I picked up (here on OSG, I think) to help sound even more massive-er is to eq the amps so it's scooped on one side and humped on the other.
indeed for many years my trademark sound was a scoopy blackface Fender with an Ampeg or Vox 15 watt humpy helper. no EQ needed, each amp was born that way!

i could 'channel switch' between them, but on most club gigs i just ran them both full time, from the stereo outs of my delay or reverb.
where i stood, i could revel in some spacious delay. don't know if anyone else could, but i still find it inspiring.
Mine also does this. Carlsboro Stingray with plenty mids, and an ac30 simulator goes straight to PA. But also using stereo fx for some further arbitrary stereo. so much better than an x-over on guitar at least.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by sessylU » Thu May 12, 2022 3:06 am

So, ground loops.

I've been playing with two amps for a while, and last night had a band practice. There was a very audible buzz/hum from each amp.

I had everything (both amps and pedalboard) being powered from one 4-way power strip. This should mean that I don't have to worry about ground loops shouldn't it?

There could be any number of other gremlins causing the issue, but this is the one that I know least about.
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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by fever606 » Thu May 12, 2022 3:27 am

If I understand correctly, having everything plugged into the same power strip is exactly what you don’t want. Both amps are sharing a ground, thus ground loop.

Try lifting the ground on one of the amps, or isolating it on another circuit.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by hexes » Fri May 27, 2022 12:58 am

mackerelmint wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:07 pm
^^^

Definitely. And another trick I picked up (here on OSG, I think) to help sound even more massive-er is to eq the amps so it's scooped on one side and humped on the other.
necro-bump, BUT my mid heavy brown princeton clone in stereo with a black/silver style princeton reverb is pure heaven. they compliment each other better than I ever expected.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by repoman » Fri May 27, 2022 4:56 pm

My favorite setup is running through my Supa Trem 2 with the phase abilities set to around 70% into my PRRI set kind of dark on one side and then the other to my Trinity TC15 (amp kit build that is sort of a mashup of Matchless Spitfire/AC15/30) set very bright, set the amps far apart physically and you get a super enveloping harmonic-ish trem sound.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by hexes » Sat May 28, 2022 2:20 am

repoman wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 4:56 pm
My favorite setup is running through my Supa Trem 2 with the phase abilities set to around 70% into my PRRI set kind of dark on one side and then the other to my Trinity TC15 (amp kit build that is sort of a mashup of Matchless Spitfire/AC15/30) set very bright, set the amps far apart physically and you get a super enveloping harmonic-ish trem sound.
i have a spitfire/ac15 flavored amp I’m building, and so far it also is a good pair with my brown princeton.

I was never a stereo amp person, but at home give me all the separation. I mix live music mostly in mono, so it’s always funny when I am asked to provide a stereo backline rig.

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Re: Who plays through a stereo rig??

Post by MayTheFuzzBeWithYou » Sat May 28, 2022 3:32 am

DeathJag wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:52 am
Yes, but it’s top-bottom rather than left-right! For gigs and for home, two brown Showmans with 2x 215s. (One is a Carl’s 6g14 clone.)

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That is an awesome pic! Great choices in the setup too!
My band setup is a 1x15 and a 2x12 cab like you - but only one amp (supersonic in the bassman mode…since 2009).

At home I sometimes use my Bandmaster and the Vaporizer (directly plugged into each other) one with Tremolo the other with a little or super wet reverb. It’s great fun!

But I don‘t think I even have a „real stereo“ pedal that would allow for panning - I think they‘re all „dual mono“ or wet/dry.

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