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Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by adamrobertt » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:31 pm

I just built a partsmaster from a Squier VMJM body and a Warmoth neck. The guitar is mostly great, sounds good, etc, but I can't quite get the action low enough without the strings fretting out past the 12th fret. I have a 1 degree maple shim in the pocket from StewMac... I also tried a 1/2 degree shim but it wasn't enough. I thought about stacking the shims, but when I mocked it up the neck angle seemed really insane and I assume it probably won't work how I want it to. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?

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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by timtam » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:34 pm

adamrobertt wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:31 pm
I just built a partsmaster from a Squier VMJM body and a Warmoth neck. The guitar is mostly great, sounds good, etc, but I can't quite get the action low enough without the strings fretting out past the 12th fret. I have a 1 degree maple shim in the pocket from StewMac... I also tried a 1/2 degree shim but it wasn't enough. I thought about stacking the shims, but when I mocked it up the neck angle seemed really insane and I assume it probably won't work how I want it to. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?
What is the relief and radius ? If you have a long straight edge place it on the frets and see if there are any high or low frets / odd neck profile. By fretting out do you mean on bends only ?
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Post by adamrobertt » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:38 pm

No it's happening even without bending the strings. The frets look level to me but I'll double check. The relief is very straight, I didn't measure it, but it's pretty close to totally straight with only slight relief, and the radius is 9.5"

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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by Larry Mal » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:49 pm

Yeah, get a fret rocker. Don't pay that price.

It's part of any guitar setup, chances are very good that you go for low action, everything seems OK, but you are getting fret buzz. You probably have high frets somewhere.

It's also possible that you have that Fender "hump" in the neck where it meets the body, but that usually takes decades for it to occur.
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Post by adamrobertt » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:55 pm

I'm not really getting any buzz, just the notes above the 12th fret choke out. I checked them with a straight edge and the seem level, but I'm not an expert and I don't really have the proper tools tbh

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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by Larry Mal » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:33 pm

The straight edge won't have a sufficient fulcrum to be able to show you the fret rocking. Watch the video there, you'll see what I mean. You can buy a knock off on eBay for $10 and it'll last you forever.
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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by andy_tchp » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:10 pm

Or failing that use a bank/credit card as a makeshift fret rocker.

All frets 'look level' to the naked eye. A few thousandths of an inch is all it takes to create buzz/fretting out.

Definitely need to measure neck relief, too. Fender spec ~0.08"-.010" relief for 9.5" radius necks IIRC which is a good starting point.
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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by timtam » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:10 pm

The long straight edge (covering the whole neck) will give you an overall sense of fret and neck profile, as well as any frets that are atypical. The fret rocker comes next, but can sometimes be misleading.*

*eg a fret that rocks can seem 'high' when in fact the adjacent fret is low. If you look at all possible 3-fret high/low fret combinations and whether a 3-fret rocker will rock / not rock when over them, there are roughly an equal number that it will get wrong when concluding whether a 'high middle fret' exists or not (false positive or false negative), as ones it will get right (true positive or true negative). So especially when people get into single-fret levelling, you can end up chasing your tail if if it's all based on just the fret rocker. If the rocker is all you have, just be careful to look for confirmation of a consistent pattern at adjacent frets (eg a low fret at one 'end' of the 3 will also rock when the rocker is centred over the next fret along .. as long as that fret is not low too !). If you're going to do a full-length fret levelling, then fortunately that will take care of any such idiosyncracies in the fret rocker findings.
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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by marqueemoon » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:16 pm

Are the nut slots cut deep enough? I’ve found that if strings are too high at the nut I overcompensate by dropping the bridge/saddles too low and it fucks everything up higher up the neck even if the relief is more or less right.

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Re: Jazzmaster string height woes

Post by Larry Mal » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:18 pm

Another good point right there.
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