Glued maple fretboards
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Glued maple fretboards
I've always had guitars with RW fingerboards, but eventually I got a maple neck cheap strat. Somehow, without any factual backup I just assumed that a maple neck with glued maple fretboard meant cheap construction. I just thought decent maple necks would just be one piece.
Seems like I was wrong! I never did any more research on this until this week, and found out actually some (if not most) MIJ strats are made like that.
Can anybody please elaborate more on this subject?
Seems like I was wrong! I never did any more research on this until this week, and found out actually some (if not most) MIJ strats are made like that.
Can anybody please elaborate more on this subject?
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Re: Glued maple fretboards
Theoretically, a two piece neck should be stronger than a one piece. Does it really matter? Not really, but I definitely wouldn't perceive a two piece as "cheaper".
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Re: Glued maple fretboards
Blond Fender necks in the 60s (earliest seems to be 62, latest 1970) were maple caps. I'm no guitar maker but it seems to me that there's no economic savings in making a maple cap neck. You don't really save much wood and there's labor costs involved in gluing the cap.
This is not the same as, say, scarf joint necks which are clearly a cost cutting feature.
This is not the same as, say, scarf joint necks which are clearly a cost cutting feature.
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Not necessarily. There are a lot of guitar makers that use scarf jointed headstocks because it’s believed to be stronger than a one-piece because of the direction of the wood grain.bluenote23 wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 11:59 amThis is not the same as, say, scarf joint necks which are clearly a cost cutting feature.
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Yes, not to mention environmental reasons. Taylor Guitars switched to a scarf joint because it significant reduced the size of the mahogany blank required to make a neck with an angled headstock, which really cut down on how much mahogany they were using. You could be pessimistic and say that's a cost-cutting feature, but with the essays Bob Taylor has written on environmental stewardship and his approach to Ebony trees and all that, I'm inclined to believe him when he says it was to curb the use of tropical mahogany (which is in short supply these days).Stereordinary wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 8:32 amNot necessarily. There are a lot of guitar makers that use scarf jointed headstocks because it’s believed to be stronger than a one-piece because of the direction of the wood grain.bluenote23 wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 11:59 amThis is not the same as, say, scarf joint necks which are clearly a cost cutting feature.
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Re: Glued maple fretboards
If you have a pile of maple off cuts from resawing that are only thick enough for fret boards there is a huge savings in cash, Fender probably accumulates such piles fairly often. Personally I would take a neck with separate fret board over a single piece every time, simplifies repairs greatly, especially truss rod replacement.bluenote23 wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 11:59 ambut it seems to me that there's no economic savings in making a maple cap neck. You don't really save much wood and there's labor costs involved in gluing the cap.
Sort of. Historically heel and head were separate pieces, making necks that way takes skill and time since you are adding at least two joints to cut, fit, and glue. The one piece neck became the dominant neck style when machines and mass production came about, anyone who could count all their fingers and toes could be trained in short time to hack out necks. Now the expense of cutting those joints is making sense due to the the rising expense of those few woods which myopic guitarist will accept in a neck. Either neck can be plenty strong but the single piece neck with slanted head stock needs well chosen wood to be as strong as the scarfed head. The real advantage of the scarfed head stock is when it takes a decapitating blow it will often just separate at the glue line, easy fix.This is not the same as, say, scarf joint necks which are clearly a cost cutting feature.
Stacked heels and scarfed heads are still the norm in the classical world.
That is mostly marketing on Bobs part, while you can say the blank is smaller, it is still the same amount of wood and both need the same sized tree to provide. The nice thing about a single piece neck on an acoustic is that big hunk of waste has just enough wood to get you your head/tail blocks kerfing and back braces. Not to say he does not care about the environment, he may very well, just that that decision was made with concern about the bottom line and not the environment.mbene085 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 7:14 pmYes, not to mention environmental reasons. Taylor Guitars switched to a scarf joint because it significant reduced the size of the mahogany blank required to make a neck with an angled headstock, which really cut down on how much mahogany they were using. You could be pessimistic and say that's a cost-cutting feature, but with the essays Bob Taylor has written on environmental stewardship and his approach to Ebony trees and all that, I'm inclined to believe him when he says it was to curb the use of tropical mahogany (which is in short supply these days).
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Re: Glued maple fretboards
Is it, though? I thought they didn't make the kerfing out of mahogany on their guitars. To make the scarf-joint neck, they use a slightly longer blank instead of one that is slightly shorter but much thicker. I do believe that results in a smaller blank being needed, volumetrically-speaking. Especially since Taylor's use a 3-piece where the neck heel has a third piece glued on. That really reduces the thickness of blank needed.oid wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 7:54 pmThat is mostly marketing on Bobs part, while you can say the blank is smaller, it is still the same amount of wood and both need the same sized tree to provide. The nice thing about a single piece neck on an acoustic is that big hunk of waste has just enough wood to get you your head/tail blocks kerfing and back braces. Not to say he does not care about the environment, he may very well, just that that decision was made with concern about the bottom line and not the environment.
David Webber, a luthier with a couple thousand builds under his belt, told me that he carved his necks out of a single piece of mahogany but felt wasteful doing so.
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Re: Glued maple fretboards
Hey guys, thank you all who chimed in! This was very informative.
I got rid of that strat a year ago, not necessarily because of that, but it helped LOL I was about to pull a trigger on a cheap honest tele for a refin, but was hesitant because of this again. I just pulled the trigger and will go ahead Damn, you learn something different every day!
I got rid of that strat a year ago, not necessarily because of that, but it helped LOL I was about to pull a trigger on a cheap honest tele for a refin, but was hesitant because of this again. I just pulled the trigger and will go ahead Damn, you learn something different every day!
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Re: Glued maple fretboards
Yes the blank is bigger in volume but any wasted wood is the fault of the luthier, that is a decent sized offcut and plenty of ways it can be utilized in the guitar or in other projects. Industry standard blank for the scarfed and stacked neck will be 1"x3"x36", the single piece will be 3"x4"x24"with an offcut of about 3"x3"x20," with funky ends. You got all the wood for in the box in that offcut, or the neck for a smaller instrument or two and some left over for in the box.mbene085 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:37 amIs it, though? I thought they didn't make the kerfing out of mahogany on their guitars. To make the scarf-joint neck, they use a slightly longer blank instead of one that is slightly shorter but much thicker. I do believe that results in a smaller blank being needed, volumetrically-speaking. Especially since Taylor's use a 3-piece where the neck heel has a third piece glued on. That really reduces the thickness of blank needed.
David Webber, a luthier with a couple thousand builds under his belt, told me that he carved his necks out of a single piece of mahogany but felt wasteful doing so.
Logic gates based on billiard-ball computer designs have also been made to operate using live soldier crabs of the species Mictyris guinotae in place of the billiard balls.