NO Fender winter namm rumors?

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Mechanical Birds » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:26 pm

$2,700

LOL FUCK

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Mechanical Birds » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:27 pm

AND THE JAG (WHICH ONLY HAS FUCKING CAR AND SURF GREEN AND BURST) IS $2,900

FUCKIN OUT SEE YA FENDER YA DICKS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by sunburster » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:28 pm

Mechanical Birds wrote:
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$2,700

LOL FUCK
That's the price in Australian dollars (it's equivalent to about $2150 in USD). In the USA these are $1999.99.

I love the surf green jag body but lack of matching headstock totally kills it for me. Quite unexpected but the Australian advert states the Jag uses the '62 AVRI pickups! The JM uses the AV65 pickups.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Beyer160 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:50 pm

So, unless I missed something it's now confirmed that these are basically the AV '65s with a 9.5" radius neck and bigger frets for $400 USD less?

If they'd only painted the headstocks I probably would have bit. Add blocks to the neck and I'd probably even have paid full price.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by sunburster » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:54 pm

Beyer160 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:50 pm
So, unless I missed something it's now confirmed that these are basically the AV '65s with a 9.5" radius neck and bigger frets for $400 USD less?
For the JM, yes, but the Jag has the AVRI '62 pickups in it, for whatever reason. I'd like the Jag better without the neck binding, because then it would basically be a reissue of the AVRI62 with more modern frets.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Beyer160 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 pm

sunburster wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:54 pm
For the JM, yes, but the Jag has the AVRI '62 pickups in it, for whatever reason. I'd like the Jag better without the neck binding, because then it would basically be a reissue of the AVRI62 with more modern frets.
I'd wager that's a typo. I can't see Fender keeping the '65s in production for the other guitars that use them and adding the '62s back to the lineup for no apparent reason. Especially since the '65s seem pretty popular and get generally good reviews. Or, if they ARE calling them "'62" pickups, I'd bet they're just the '65s with a different name- it's not like Fender hasn't played that game before.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Mechanical Birds » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 pm

Also zero chance that I assume they're only $2000 until that's officially announced.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by pscates » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:23 pm

I'm fairly new to this offset stuff compared to so many of you here, but I genuinely don't understand the thought/appeal of making a 50's or 60's-spec guitar, but then half-assing the execution. Why are they putting 9.5" necks and whatever else on otherwise vintage-accurate(ish) guitars? Does the new American Professional lineup not cover those bases, and address those demands/wishes? I thought that was the entire reason for that new line?

Who, exactly, are these models aimed at/made for? It seems the vintage-loving, AVRI crowd likes those models because they have the 50's and 60's specs and features. Why does Fender feel they need to dilute or "modernize" a line whose whole purpose for existing is to be a replica of the guitars people loved from 50-60 years ago...7.25" necks, small frets and all.

And before anyone pipes in with "well, they're catering to modern players who prefer the flatter necks and taller frets", they're already catering to those folks with a Jazzmaster and Jaguar model in a completely new lineup that hasn't even been on the street for a year...flatter necks, larger frets, redesigned bridge, modern-voiced pickups and tweaked electronics, modern tuners, etc.

Or am I to believe that the only thing keeping lots of current players from loving "classic, vintage Fenders" is a neck radius and fret size spec?
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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by rhythmjones » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:33 pm

Mechanical Birds wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 pm
Also zero chance that I assume they're only $2000 until that's officially announced.
It's $1999
- Mitch

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Beyer160 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:50 pm

pscates wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:23 pm
I'm fairly new to this offset stuff compared to so many of you here, but I genuinely don't understand the thought/appeal of making a 50's or 60's-spec guitar, but then half-assing the execution. Why are they putting 9.5" necks and whatever else on otherwise vintage-accurate(ish) guitars? Does the new American Professional lineup not cover those bases, and address those demands/wishes? I thought that was the entire reason for that new line?

Who, exactly, are these models aimed at/made for? It seems the vintage-loving, AVRI crowd likes those models because they have the 50's and 60's specs and features. Why does Fender feel they need to dilute or "modernize" a line whose whole purpose for existing is to be a replica of the guitars people loved from 50-60 years ago...7.25" necks, small frets and all.

And before anyone pipes in with "well, they're catering to modern players who prefer the flatter necks and taller frets", re-read what I wrote above...they're already catering to those folks with a Jazzmaster and Jaguar model in a completely new lineup that hasn't even been on the street for a year...flatter necks, larger frets, redesigned bridge, modern-voiced pickups and tweaked electronics, modern tuners, etc.
You raise a good point- the "Pro" series and the "American Originals" are pretty close spec wise, but the devil's in the details. Obviously, Fender hopes they'll appeal to different market segments anyway. For $450 less than the AO you can get shitty pickups, a shitty bridge that's actually worse than the original because Fender screwed it up, the switch in the wrong place, no rhythm circuit, no binding, and a poly finish. You can fix the first two pretty easily for around $200, so then you have to eat all their other "improvements" to save $250. I know where I'd spend MY money, but there's no accounting for taste and Fender seems to think there's a vast, untapped market of people out there who hate all the stuff that makes a Jazzmaster a Jazzmaster, but want one anyway.

I wonder if another reason to eliminate the AV65s was to eliminate 7.25" radius necks from the supply chain and streamline neck production.
pscates wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:23 pm
Or am I to believe that the only thing keeping lots of current players from loving "classic old Fenders" is a neck radius and fret size spec?
I think Fender believes this.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Mechanical Birds » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:51 pm

rhythmjones wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:33 pm
Mechanical Birds wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 pm
Also zero chance that I assume they're only $2000 until that's officially announced.
It's $1999
Is this fucking real

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by sunburster » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:38 pm

Beyer160 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 pm
I'd wager that's a typo. I can't see Fender keeping the '65s in production for the other guitars that use them and adding the '62s back to the lineup for no apparent reason. Especially since the '65s seem pretty popular and get generally good reviews. Or, if they ARE calling them "'62" pickups, I'd bet they're just the '65s with a different name- it's not like Fender hasn't played that game before.
I can tell from the pics they are the 62s because the covers are dark yellow (65s have more whitish covers) and the pole pieces are beveled instead of flat like the 65s. Anyone who has ever owned AVRI62 pickups will recognize these distinctive characteristics. And this matches up perfectly with the official specs from Fender which also label them as 62 reissue pickups. See for yourself:

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Compare an AV65:

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by Beyer160 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:19 pm

sunburster wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:38 pm
I can tell from the pics they are the 62s because the covers are dark yellow (65s have more whitish covers) and the pole pieces are beveled instead of flat like the 65s. Anyone who has ever owned AVRI62 pickups will recognize these distinctive characteristics. And this matches up perfectly with the official specs from Fender which also label them as 62 reissue pickups. See for yourself:
Yep, those bevels are a giveaway. Good eye, thanks!

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by wooderson » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:07 pm

pscates wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:23 pm
I'm fairly new to this offset stuff compared to so many of you here, but I genuinely don't understand the thought/appeal of making a 50's or 60's-spec guitar, but then half-assing the execution. Why are they putting 9.5" necks and whatever else on otherwise vintage-accurate(ish) guitars? Does the new American Professional lineup not cover those bases, and address those demands/wishes? I thought that was the entire reason for that new line?

Who, exactly, are these models aimed at/made for? It seems the vintage-loving, AVRI crowd likes those models because they have the 50's and 60's specs and features. Why does Fender feel they need to dilute or "modernize" a line whose whole purpose for existing is to be a replica of the guitars people loved from 50-60 years ago...7.25" necks, small frets and all.
IIRC, those people who do in-depth studies of early Fenders find a bit of variation in the radius (up to 9.5") and how many vintage guitars were re-fretted with larger frets over the years?

I'd say that the purpose of the line wasn't to "replicate" vintage guitars (not really possible) but to offer an idealized version that offers the things the standard lines don't (ie nitro and wear/aging, more vintage-appropriate pickups). Now they're updating it with the things that people request from the Custom Shop and that sell via the special order Thin Skin lines.

Fender's cutting the legs out from under the lower end of boutique/relic builders IMO. If you wanted a 'thin skin' Jaguar w/ 9.5/big frets, your options were finding a used one from Wildwood, getting it finished by MJT or Guitar Mill or someone like that or getting on the list for a Danocaster/Ron Kirn/K-Line. Now you can have it with an F on the headstock (and no relicing) for less.

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Re: NO Fender winter namm rumors?

Post by zenarcade » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:59 pm

The originals are now online at the Fender site. Jazzmaster is available in Ocean turquoise, White and sunburst.
I have to say the turquoise one looks nice. Would be perfect with a matching headstock but still... :?

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