Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decisions

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by mackerelmint » Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:42 pm

Larry Mal wrote:You might be a little more persnickety than myself, M-ack-reel-munt. That doesn't even make sense, that last butchering of your handle. It's late. Pray forgive.

I gotta say, though. I've been nothing less than happy with my Gibsons. I might have to sell one, or two. It will hurt me to do it.
Yeah, could be. I'm picky about stuff. More than most, probably. But I've definitely played nicer gibbys and all of them were made upwards of a decade ago.

Selling guitars is a bummer. Hope it doesn't come to that.
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by Hyphen Nation » Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:44 pm

Will their necks break less?
Will they have frets that don't leave my hands raw?

I am mostly kidding. I love me some Gibson, but I have been hunting for a good SG for over a year and most of the ones I play are lifeless. This is painting my perception quite a bit. My LP is great, even though the fret ends were shit from the start. I kinda like their 50's/60's tributes and budget guitars. I love their more premium guitars, just not where I am going to put my money right now. Overall, this could be a good move for them. Fender packs a lot of guitar into $1k. G&L packs even more, imho. If in order for Gibson to remain competitive, they need to ensure they are delivering a premium guitar so they need to raise their rates accordingly, so be it. I'd rather get a custom guitar for the $2k and up price point, myself.

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by andy_tchp » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:27 am

mackerelmint wrote:
Larry Mal wrote:I didn't pick shit, I bought them off the internet. I can't be lathered about going to stores and trying shit out. All good, all fine. Gibson isn't putting garbage out no matter what the internets have you think. You are always welcome to come see them all, Mack-RL-mynt.
Well, you didn't pick cotton either! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!! ONLY I KNOW!!

it's not the internets that have me thinking it, though. It's shitty frets that I've played and made horrible faces about.
Only the ones in pawn shops give you the real experience so you can 'get it'...
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by shadowplay » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:33 am

mackerelmint wrote: played and made horrible faces
Mmmhmm....that's the Blues you got lady!

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by andy_tchp » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:54 am

:D
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by rhythmjones » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:07 am

What it means for me is I will have to tech all the formerly below-price-point guitars, which will now be above my price-point, and more guitars will have MinEtune which are a fucking hassle for me.

Gibson seems to keep getting away with raising prices and coming out with shittier guitars. I guess if it works...
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by matthew a » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:27 am

I did find it odd that you could pick up a Les Paul for the same price as an American Standard Strat/Tele, at least in the UK, over the last few years, since the Fender price increases.

Min-e tune sounds terrible though. Haven't looked at what it actually does. But it seems to be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by StevenO » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:28 am

I'm surprised people even buy new Gibsons anymore... And I'm surprised people even bother to complain about Fender prices (some even complain about Squier prices... ::) ).

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by shadowplay » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:45 am

rhythmjones wrote:
Gibson seems to keep getting away with raising prices and coming out with shittier guitars. I guess if it works...
It's funny a Fender Stratocaster was once more expensive than a Les Paul Standard in 1959.

I've seen mention of their Guitar Experience at car shows, I guess they are going after the sort that has $100k to drop on (a once bought by ordinary working stiffs) Muscle Car, not really Guitar players but nostalgists.

To be honest if I was Gibson I'd just make guitars with no excuses (and absolute QC), showcase craftsmanship, perfectly made, out of the best woods and run it like a fancy watch brand (with similar Millimisation). Maybe a bit Franklin Mint :w00t: !! There's enough second-hand Gibson's to service the market of folk who actually want to play them.

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by kieranplaymusic » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:10 am

They are now introducing a removable Les Paul pick guard with NO SCREWS NEEDED.
I... what? Ugh :fp:

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by mackerelmint » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:13 am

andy_tchp wrote:
mackerelmint wrote:
Well, you didn't pick cotton either! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!! ONLY I KNOW!!

it's not the internets that have me thinking it, though. It's shitty frets that I've played and made horrible faces about.
Only the ones in pawn shops give you the real experience so you can 'get it'...
WELL, SHIT. I've been looking under the wrong rocks this whole time. :D
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by mackerelmint » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:14 am

shadowplay wrote:
mackerelmint wrote: played and made horrible faces
Mmmhmm....that's the Blues you got lady!

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well, I was certainly expressing it how I felt it! :freako:
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by Larry Mal » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:17 am

I've worn cotton, if that's any... I also have a delightful tea cozy, uh...
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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by shoule79 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:18 am

mackerelmint wrote: Yeah, could be. I'm picky about stuff. More than most, probably. But I've definitely played nicer gibbys and all of them were made upwards of a decade ago.
I wouldn't say you are being picky. I've owned probably 10 Gibson electric's over the years (from the era's late 60's to 2008). They were even my undisputed go-to brand for a decade or so.

My last one, an 08 Explorer Standard had terrible fret work and bubbles in the finish around any pockets. It did sound and play great, but the QC issues were a drag for an instrument that costs that much. For the price, you can get a lot more guitar from any number of brands that is built a lot better.

Aside from that, when I was looking for a backup for my 81 LP Standard a few years ago I tried out a few dozen new ones from the worn finish models to the higher end, quilted maple top ones. At best they were all meh in comparison to my main Gibson, which is from the tail end of the dreaded Norlin years (volute and all). I'd have rated most of them around the higher end Epiphones in terms of quality, albeit the higher end Gibsons did have better pickups.

I saw a lot of jagged frets, and overly dry fret boards. The budget ones usually had muddy humbuckers, cheap pots and tuners. Although I found that the P90 equipped budget models did tend to sound pretty good.

Anyway, I truly do hope Gibson stops wasting their time with self-tuning guitars, gets back to building solid, quality guitars and does well in the future.

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Re: Wow, Gibson 2015 changes... seems like more bad decision

Post by ARAMP1 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:16 am

I'd pay the extra coin to NOT have the gimmicky self tuning bulls!t on my guitar.

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