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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by mbene085 » Sat May 04, 2019 3:49 am

Unicorn Warrior wrote:
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La Patrie Étude and Concert guitars.

http://lapatrieguitars.com/guitars.html

It's a Godin subsidiary. Made in Canada, solid, sound good and a good bang for the buck, particularly if you buy a used one.
Thanks for this suggestion. These look pretty solid
100% agree. I learned on a La Patrie classical for the first 6 years that I studied classical guitar and it never held me back. Great instruments for the money.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Larry Mal » Sat May 04, 2019 5:43 am

Yeah, those Presentation models with the cedar over rosewood look like very good instruments. I've been thinking about picking a classical guitar up lately also.
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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by marqueemoon » Sun May 05, 2019 7:01 pm

I played a nice Yamaha today.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by øøøøøøø » Wed May 08, 2019 6:05 am

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I played a nice Yamaha today.
Yamahas are often a great value for money. And I want to reiterate that the solid-top Yairi models really overperform their price point.

I think more highly of both than I do of the Canadian guitars that have been endorsed by many on this thread.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Bert Camenbert » Wed May 08, 2019 6:49 am

øøøøøøø wrote:
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I played a nice Yamaha today.
Yamahas are often a great value for money. And I want to reiterate that the solid-top Yairi models really overperform their price point.

I think more highly of both than I do of the Canadian guitars that have been endorsed by many on this thread.
Why is that? Have you played a La Patrie guitar? Just curious, I don't want to start a big debate. But I would like to know on what you base your opinion.

My first acoustic guitar was an old taiwanese Yamaha. I still have it but I never play it: I replaced it with a La Patrie Concert. I prefer the La Patrie to the Yam. They both sound decent, I probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart, but the neck on the La Patrie is a bit smaller and I find it more comfortable to play.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by øøøøøøø » Wed May 08, 2019 12:33 pm

Bert Camenbert wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:49 am
øøøøøøø wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:05 am
marqueemoon wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:01 pm
I played a nice Yamaha today.
Yamahas are often a great value for money. And I want to reiterate that the solid-top Yairi models really overperform their price point.

I think more highly of both than I do of the Canadian guitars that have been endorsed by many on this thread.
Why is that? Have you played a La Patrie guitar? Just curious, I don't want to start a big debate. But I would like to know on what you base your opinion.

My first acoustic guitar was an old taiwanese Yamaha. I still have it but I never play it: I replaced it with a La Patrie Concert. I prefer the La Patrie to the Yam. They both sound decent, I probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart, but the neck on the La Patrie is a bit smaller and I find it more comfortable to play.
I wouldn't have made my opinion known had I not played all of the guitars in question. I've played several examples of each, but this was mostly about 15+ years ago. I can't swear that things haven't changed radically since then, I'll allow.

I minored in classical guitar at two Universities. There were large numbers of students who had those Canadian guitars, and large numbers who had the Japanese guitars. We all hung out together and played each others' guitars. The Canadian guitars were fairly new at the time.

When I was shopping for my own modest instrument, I already owned a Seagull flat-top myself (which are also made by Godin, La Patrie's parent company), so I really expected and wanted to like the La Patrie guitars. Additionally, Godin had great literature/copy--they sounded like a company that was really trying to make great guitars. The hype pushed all of my "getting something for nothing" buttons in just the right way.

Nevertheless, after trying several examples of each make, I ended up choosing instead a humble Yairi CY-110, because it was just better in a way that was clear and unambiguous (to me). After five years of playing classmates' guitars sporadically, nothing ever made me second-guess that decision.

One of the main turnoffs for me about the Canadian guitars--there's scant evidence that the craftspeople or designers have ever even heard of Ramirez, Fleta, Hauser or Torres. Their guitars represent sort of a "modern North American take on the nylon string" as opposed to a true "classical guitar in-the-tradition." Many won't mind this, but I preferred the more historically-informed approach the made-in-Japan guitars seemed to take.

I want to be clear that when I'm speaking of the Yamahas, I'm talking about the Made-in-Japan models (not the made-in-Taiwan ones that are very inexpensive--but that still represent a pretty damn good value for $99-149).

Again, it's highly possible that the Canadian guitars have gotten way better in the past decade-and-a-half. I'm open to that. I will never like their swoopy headstock silhouette, but for all I know the guitars are better now than the ones I tried as a kid.

I still have that humble CY-110. About once a year I have to play nylon string on a recording, and it's my only option. I've never, ever had a client complain or think the sound inadequate. Granted, I'm not using it to record solo guitar literature for Deutsche Grammophon, but still.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Bert Camenbert » Wed May 08, 2019 1:30 pm

I've never played a Yairi. In fact, I've probably never seen one. I bought my yamaha when I was a kid, I had no idea what I was getting.

A few years ago, when I was shopping for a new classical guitar, I tried a number of Yamaha guitars, including some japanese-made ones, they're quite common around here. I think they're good for the money, but most of the japanese-made yams I tried were old and, probably because they were considered to be cheap guitars back in the day, many had had a rough life.

In the end, I went with the La Patrie, mostly because of the neck: classical guitars tend to have big necks, and all the cheap to mid-priced classical guitars I tried had bigger necks than the La Patrie I ended up buying.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Unicorn Warrior » Sat May 11, 2019 9:40 pm

I was at a shop today and played a cheap Cordoba that was priced for like $120. I was actually quite surprised about how it was much easier to play than I thought it would be. I am going to hold out for something nicer though. Especially since I hope to record with it

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by DeathJag » Sun May 12, 2019 7:08 am

Ai! This is wild. I just started classical guitar lessons last week! I've got a cheap La Mancha classical guitar and I like it. The teacher gave it a once over and declared it was from the 70s or 60s and that it was decent. I always, always thought of it as a super cheap thing and never "took care" of it, other than leaving it indoors all day.

As I really took in the journey this music was going to be, and how there's just no way to half-ass it, I started thinking about upgrading the guitar. And now this thread!

I also 100% dig the reasoning for asking this board - the people here are very knowledgeable!

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Larry Mal » Sun May 12, 2019 8:35 am

I played a few classical guitars yesterday, including a Cordoba C9, which is not cheap. That's an all solid wood model with rosewood back and sides and I forget what the top is. Cedar?

Anyway, I think I would like to have a classical guitar to keep in my office at work.
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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by dc » Sun May 12, 2019 8:44 am

Cordoba also has a "crossover" line with a radiused fretboard and narrower nut width, which might be the ticket for toe-dippers wanting a nylon string sound without the intimidation factor of a traditional classical plank. not necessarily cheap-cheap, but blems keep turning up on Reverb for few hundred bucks -
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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by garyfanclub » Mon May 13, 2019 8:55 am

Bert Camenbert wrote:
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Would highly recommend the 70's-era MIJ Guild Acoustics made under the Madeira (or Madiera?) brand name. Recently bought a C-600 for $120 that I really enjoy.
Does yours have a laminated top? I remember seeing one in pawnshop a few years ago, dunno the model, but it was a Madeira steel-string acoustic guitar and it wasn't expensive. Being interested in everything Guild-related, I considered buying it, until I realized that it had a laminated top. :derp:
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Not sure what the material is, but given the price point I would assume it's laminated. Sounds great for $100ish bucks! To be clear, mine's a classical nylon, not a full steel acoustic.

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by higgsblossom » Mon May 13, 2019 9:30 am

I really like my Ibanez AEG. Good value for the money, and the piezo is not bad.
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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Unicorn Warrior » Mon May 13, 2019 6:31 pm

Larry Mal wrote:
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I played a few classical guitars yesterday, including a Cordoba C9, which is not cheap. That's an all solid wood model with rosewood back and sides and I forget what the top is. Cedar?

Anyway, I think I would like to have a classical guitar to keep in my office at work.
What'd you think of the C9?

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Re: Cheap Classical Acoustic Reccomendations?

Post by Larry Mal » Tue May 14, 2019 3:57 am

I thought it sounded very good, and I found a gently used one selling for around $500, if I was going to buy one it would probably be that.

I'd consider it to be an instrument that I might outgrow in the future, though, if I really went wild for classical guitar then maybe I'd want something better down the road. But the all solid wood construction of the thing and the depth and clarity that rosewood can bring to it would make it a good enough guitar to keep as my only classical, also.

Or so I'd think- honestly, since there is an actual expert on here I'd likely just submit the budget and rough requirements like all solid wood construction to Brad and just buy what he suggested.

Incidentally, the guitar I was looking at was this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cordoba-C9-Spr ... SwUv5c1cIO

Which someone added some ports to. I know that's a fairly common thing for people to do. But such an invasive mod as that could also be done very wrong, so I would probably keep moving or at least learn a lot more about that.

But yeah, I thought it sounded very good, I am very open to the idea that my ears would developing still with classical guitar and that after a couple years playing one I would be able to perceive more nuance than I am now.

I started learning guitar by playing classical guitar, I didn't stick with it for much longer than a year, year and a half or so, though. What I mainly got from it was some ability to play with my fingers and not just a pick, which is probably the best decision I could ever have made. Not only do I play fingerstyle guitar often, but it was a springboard to use with other instruments over the years such as the bass guitar, the banjo, I used to own a bouzouki and so on.

Incidentally, I would never buy any kind of "crossover" classical guitar that attempts to be more like a steel string acoustic. How can you learn that way? Why would you cheat yourself of the experience of learning a new instrument and learning to play it as it is? Of course it will be challenging to have to adapt to a new instrument with new demands, but why else would you bother?
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