Thanks. It's worth noting that the saddles are uncut at present, so I have each pair of strings are running pretty much parallel. Out of the box, they were far more spread apart. Again, it's to help out my picking hand.cestlamort wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:34 am
For the normal 12 strings, the nit can be adjusted to give a little more room but not the same thing. Congrats.
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Nice-looking guitar, though in the spirit of Coco Chanel my dream Ric 12 would have the bridge pickup only, never mind an extra one in the middle. Wouldn't be a 12-string Rickenbacker if it was absolutely perfect, though, would it?
I am so envious of the user-friendly neck - must be nice to be able to play a C chord and hear the top E ringing out.
I am so envious of the user-friendly neck - must be nice to be able to play a C chord and hear the top E ringing out.
I've read that if you use Rickenbacker's own 12-string set (groundwound) it should intonate perfectly. They would say that, though, wouldn't they? I just bought an after-market 12-saddle bridge myself.Straight6DOHC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:48 pmThanks. It's worth noting that the saddles are uncut at present, so I have each pair of strings are running pretty much parallel. Out of the box, they were far more spread apart. Again, it's to help out my picking hand.cestlamort wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:34 am
For the normal 12 strings, the nit can be adjusted to give a little more room but not the same thing. Congrats.
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That is all sorts of awesome!
I've tried loads of Rickenbackers over the years - but I just can't make it work with the narrow spacing. I might need to keep an eye out for one of these.
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I've tried loads of Rickenbackers over the years - but I just can't make it work with the narrow spacing. I might need to keep an eye out for one of these.
Happy NGD
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Interesting thoughts. I could do without the middle pickup - my thumbpick hits it frequently, I like the 'slash' more than this f-hole. I like Schaller tuners over these Ric Delux Kluson style tuners. I like this 330 body shape rather than a 360 shape.UlricvonCatalyst wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:09 amNice-looking guitar, though in the spirit of Coco Chanel my dream Ric 12 would have the bridge pickup only, never mind an extra one in the middle. Wouldn't be a 12-string Rickenbacker if it was absolutely perfect, though, would it?
I am so envious of the user-friendly neck - must be nice to be able to play a C chord and hear the top E ringing out.I've read that if you use Rickenbacker's own 12-string set (groundwound) it should intonate perfectly. They would say that, though, wouldn't they? I just bought an after-market 12-saddle bridge myself.Straight6DOHC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:48 pmThanks. It's worth noting that the saddles are uncut at present, so I have each pair of strings are running pretty much parallel. Out of the box, they were far more spread apart. Again, it's to help out my picking hand.cestlamort wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:34 am
For the normal 12 strings, the nit can be adjusted to give a little more room but not the same thing. Congrats.
I guess it's all down to Townsend's request for what he wanted the guitar to look like.
The factory truss rod has the neck dead, dead straight - again, another of Rickenbacker's 'concepts' of how their guitars can be set up. Do they all come from the factory with flat necks?
I need to set a day aside and use my 330 as a reference point, as it plays beautifully.....and does have the truss rod adjusted to have some bow.
Worth noting that it has the same (width) bridge as a narrow neck Ric bridge and because of this, I'm not sure if a 12 saddle bridge would work for me.
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For the record, neck width aside, my Ric is essentially the same as yours - double-bound 330 shape, trapeze tailpiece (it's a reproduction of the first-generation 360/12 as played by George Harrison from A Hard Day's Night onwards.Straight6DOHC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:41 amInteresting thoughts. I could do without the middle pickup - my thumbpick hits it frequently, I like the 'slash' more than this f-hole. I like Schaller tuners over these Ric Delux Kluson style tuners. I like this 330 body shape rather than a 360 shape.
I guess it's all down to Townsend's request for what he wanted the guitar to look like.
The factory truss rod has the neck dead, dead straight - again, another of Rickenbacker's 'concepts' of how their guitars can be set up. Do they all come from the factory with flat necks?
I need to set a day aside and use my 330 as a reference point, as it plays beautifully.....and does have the truss rod adjusted to have some bow.
Worth noting that it has the same (width) bridge as a narrow neck Ric bridge and because of this, I'm not sure if a 12 saddle bridge would work for me.
The 12-saddle bridge I bought was a drop-in replacement, though I can't for the life of me remember the name of the company who made them; I read about it on some Ric forum and users gave it glowing reviews despite it not looking vintage-correct. The Mastery bridge of the 12-string Ric world, if you will. This was way back in the '90s, though - I have no idea if the company's still trading.
Some years later I briefly owned a 620/12 which came with a 12-saddle bridge I assumed was standard Ric issue. I believe both would be standard size, as the 620 one had very narrow saddles. If you're thinking of switching your bridge, I'd try emailing the owner of Rickysounds, who knows his stuff.
By the way, are you aware that 12-string Rics have a double truss rod? I wouldn't touch mine, personally, and would recommend Moon Guitars for a set-up, as he's fully conversant with the Ric 12's quirks.
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Re: setup
The neck is supposed to be completely flat by design. It's not a big deal to adjust the truss rods if you're comfortable doing that sort of thing. Budget some time (and extra high g strings) for getting the truss rod cover off however, as it involves a lot of loosening of strings (and I seem to break one every third time or so, but I'm kind of impatient with stuff).
I've been using the Rickenbacker brand strings and like them (I think Sam Ash usually is cheapest). I had TI flats (from pick of the ricks) and they were good too, but expensive and more of a 60s sound.
If you want to do a thorough set up, upgrade, etc, Mark Arnquist has done some amazing work (most folks go to him to redo string spacing, which shouldn't be an issue for you).
Enjoy, that's a gorgeous guitar.
The neck is supposed to be completely flat by design. It's not a big deal to adjust the truss rods if you're comfortable doing that sort of thing. Budget some time (and extra high g strings) for getting the truss rod cover off however, as it involves a lot of loosening of strings (and I seem to break one every third time or so, but I'm kind of impatient with stuff).
I've been using the Rickenbacker brand strings and like them (I think Sam Ash usually is cheapest). I had TI flats (from pick of the ricks) and they were good too, but expensive and more of a 60s sound.
If you want to do a thorough set up, upgrade, etc, Mark Arnquist has done some amazing work (most folks go to him to redo string spacing, which shouldn't be an issue for you).
Enjoy, that's a gorgeous guitar.
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So I'm a big fan of Winfield Vintage stuff, and they have a very nice looking ABR type bridge for Rickenbacker 12 strings:
http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/tom-bridge.html
Apparently they address the string spacing on the wider neck, also. I don't really know much about that since I only have a six string Ric, but this might interest you.
I debated putting an ABR bridge on my Ric, I ended up with a Mastery, I never considered keeping the stock bridge.
They also make a nice trapeze tailpiece special made for 12 strings, also. I put the six string version on mine and it makes string changing a lot easier. Just a heads up.
http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/tom-bridge.html
Apparently they address the string spacing on the wider neck, also. I don't really know much about that since I only have a six string Ric, but this might interest you.
I debated putting an ABR bridge on my Ric, I ended up with a Mastery, I never considered keeping the stock bridge.
They also make a nice trapeze tailpiece special made for 12 strings, also. I put the six string version on mine and it makes string changing a lot easier. Just a heads up.
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Beautiful guitar. The only thing that kills it for me is the Rose Morris soundhole. I much prefer the slash/shark fin soundhole. Small stuff.
I've yet to play the wider neck 12 models. I played a 660, but of course it was a 6 string. Didn't like the wide neck for the 6 string at all, but I can imagine it is so much better for a 12.
The 12 string bridge seems well made enough (the one RIC uses), although it looks pretty crude.
I've yet to play the wider neck 12 models. I played a 660, but of course it was a 6 string. Didn't like the wide neck for the 6 string at all, but I can imagine it is so much better for a 12.
The 12 string bridge seems well made enough (the one RIC uses), although it looks pretty crude.
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Thanks for all the advice guys. It's all appreciated.
I've adjusted the truss rods on my 330 and feel confident with that. I've been to Jimmy Moon several times over the last.....27 years! I'll see where I can take the guitar with my own set up and if I'm still not happy, I'll take it to Moon. Actually, I'm pretty certain I'll take it to him after I compile a list of what is working for me and what is not....even after my own setting up.
That's great advice about the truss rod cover because I've been eyeing that thing up and wondering how it's supposed to be removed.
I've adjusted the truss rods on my 330 and feel confident with that. I've been to Jimmy Moon several times over the last.....27 years! I'll see where I can take the guitar with my own set up and if I'm still not happy, I'll take it to Moon. Actually, I'm pretty certain I'll take it to him after I compile a list of what is working for me and what is not....even after my own setting up.
That's great advice about the truss rod cover because I've been eyeing that thing up and wondering how it's supposed to be removed.
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Oh my! That's specifically made for these wider necks. The only issue for me is that they don't look like they accomodate a bridge cover. Definitely something to think about.Larry Mal wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:27 amSo I'm a big fan of Winfield Vintage stuff, and they have a very nice looking ABR type bridge for Rickenbacker 12 strings:
http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/tom-bridge.html
Apparently they address the string spacing on the wider neck, also. I don't really know much about that since I only have a six string Ric, but this might interest you.
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Wait, and miss out on one of the height screws stripping and shooting behind a stack of empty beer cans in the rehearsal space? Sounds like you're not ready for a Rickenbacker, son....Straight6DOHC wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:08 pmOh my! That's specifically made for these wider necks. The only issue for me is that they don't look like they accomodate a bridge cover. Definitely something to think about.Larry Mal wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:27 amSo I'm a big fan of Winfield Vintage stuff, and they have a very nice looking ABR type bridge for Rickenbacker 12 strings:
http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/tom-bridge.html
Apparently they address the string spacing on the wider neck, also. I don't really know much about that since I only have a six string Ric, but this might interest you.
You can loosen the strings to clear the truss rod cover, but be careful that there isn't (too much) rub when retightening the strings, as they'll break at the rub point. McGuinn supposedly only uses the screw at the point of the trc, as the strings keep it in place.
There are also a couple ways to string order the strings on the headstock. My recently acquired 330/12 had some bizarre (if aesthetically cool) order (high pair on the secondary tuners, if I remember right) that totally messed with my head. I personally prefer to simply go clockwise around the headstock from the low E.
Random tips
Put strings in tailpiece and use painters tape to secure them there while stringing
Use a capo to hold the tension
I also use dental floss through the ball end (ball in slot, hold tight with floss out the tail end) for replacing single strings and/or the ones where the slots are sloppy (Rickenbacker cuts corners wherever they can...)
Don't ever lose the truss rod cover
Liquid paper works as spot paint for a plexi trc (on the back)
Clean with xymol or swirl x for light scratches.
Black nail polish for more extreme touch ups (really)