My first 1950s vintage guitar
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My first 1950s vintage guitar
I didn't have any spare space in my equipment room for any more guitars ....
But I saw something in the USA that, let's say caught my eye, but I needed to remount some wall hangers to make room for it.
The dealer was a great person to communicate with, his photos of the instrument, and all of his instruments, are probably the best (or one of the best) I have seen on line and we came to an agreement on costs (he also happens to be a member here at OSG, which I only found out later). The instrument is currently over the pacific ocean having left Alabama Thursday afternoon my time. It is now Saturday lunchtime here in Oz and it is due to land in Sydney later this afternoon ... two days shipping... that is why using professional couriers is worth the money. It's been scheduled to arrive in my city (my address) sometime Monday ... stay tuned...
Any speculation what it is ?
Two members here know why it is, but I am sure they will keep shtum for the moment
But I saw something in the USA that, let's say caught my eye, but I needed to remount some wall hangers to make room for it.
The dealer was a great person to communicate with, his photos of the instrument, and all of his instruments, are probably the best (or one of the best) I have seen on line and we came to an agreement on costs (he also happens to be a member here at OSG, which I only found out later). The instrument is currently over the pacific ocean having left Alabama Thursday afternoon my time. It is now Saturday lunchtime here in Oz and it is due to land in Sydney later this afternoon ... two days shipping... that is why using professional couriers is worth the money. It's been scheduled to arrive in my city (my address) sometime Monday ... stay tuned...
Any speculation what it is ?
Two members here know why it is, but I am sure they will keep shtum for the moment
relaxing alternative to doing actual work ...
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A '59 Jazzmaster! Congrats whatever it is. I will look forward to photos.
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Non-offset section here, so i guess an old Tele. Did YOU get that Tele that a friend had given to this other guy who flipped it for 4k or so?!
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Have you had to take CITES into consideration?
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CITES. what's that?
The answer is no... and we'll soon find out what happens cause it's going through customs as I type this, up in Sydney.
The answer is no... and we'll soon find out what happens cause it's going through customs as I type this, up in Sydney.
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No ... not a tele...
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Congrats David!!
Maybe an ES of some sort? a 330?
Maybe an ES of some sort? a 330?
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no not electric .... that should cut down the options
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sookwinder wrote:no not electric .... that should cut down the options
Aha!...J45/50/185/200?
Or maybe an acoustic archtop like an L4C? (preferably in Blonde!)
Or an Epiphone acoustic archtop?
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Well ... I have just had an email from FEDEX telling me of the payable duties and a follow up call that enabled me to make payment. So given that I suspect it has got through customs etc with no consideration of CITES ... I shall let the cat out of the bag...
One of my frequent stops when surfing the interwebz are the various vintage guitar stores as well as GBASE and REVERB. Some are good, some are shit, but one must look at everything to sometimes pick up a bargain or pickup a rare find. A year or so back James picked up an almost mint 66 Epiphone Sorrento real cheap because the photos were basically crap and the guitar had not been cleaned. But there are a number of sites that do have superb photos and enough photos to show the entire instrument or amplifier. Sometimes I just like to browse these sites and kick the tyres for half an hour or so.
A week or so back I saw an acoustic guitar on REVERB and asked a couple of questions concerning the nut width and the condition of the instrument. Turns out the nut width is exactly what I like and the answers to the questions gelled with the clear and hi-res photos found at the sellers site.
http://truevintageguitar.com/inventory/ ... son-j-200/
This is the type of acoustic that George Harrison played many White album, Let It Be and Abbey Road tracks with, including HERE COMES THE SUN. His was a 67 or 68 model.
Now the thing about the 60s model of this guitar is that in 1961 Gibson made some changes to the design which included:
- Addition of a Tune-o-matic adjustable metal bridge
- Larger one piece neck block that wrapped around under the fingerboard extention
- A really large maple bridge plate, with 4 metal bolts (two for the tunematic adjustment, two as bridge bolts.)
- The addition of a large, suspended wooden brace under the top, between the bridge and the soundhole. In the middle of the brace is a large metal screw, held against the top. Apparently this brace was added to keep the front of the bridge from sinking. two versions of this brace were used.
Although I do not like the notion of a tune-o-matic bridge in an acoustic guitar (and I suspect the tune-o-matic itself and its mounting may have contributed to the front of the bridge sinking), it is this last addition of the wooden brace that I do not like. Anecdotally, it appears that this large wooden brace can sometimes kill the sparkle and tone of the guitar. So it is almost a crap shoot when buying a 60s version of this guitar on line as to whether the guitar sounds good or bad. Apparently one of the mods to these guitars in the 60s and later was to have the brace removed.
Given the recordings George Harrison made with his 67 or 68 version of this guitar (and subsequently Bob Dylan who George gave it to, and can be seen on the cover of the album NASHVILLE SKYLINE) are superb, the tone of his guitar was not affected by the brace.
So I had always left my searches for this guitar in the 1950s period ... the 40s are to old and too expensive for me and I have no way of trying out any 60s variants as effectively they are as common here in Oz as rocking horse shit.
As a bonus, this 1958 model uses tuners that had been Epiphone style tuners. Gibson had moved basically all of the Epiphone stock and product from New York to Kalamazoo when they bought Epiphone the previous year. In 1958 only 131 of these types were manufactured.
[The information about the change of specs and the pics below have been "borrowed" from this awesome website http://www.guitarhq.com/ ]
Here are some photos of the changes that occurred in 1961. Larger neck block and large wooden brace.
So after some discussions with the seller, we came to an agreement on cost and shipping and the 59 year old lady was shipped out on Thursday Oz time and landed today, Saturday. The seller has allowed me to use some of his photos here and when the guitar arrives on Monday I shall take some more "made it safely to Oz" pics.
I give you a 1958 Gibson J-200 flattop acoustic guitar:
One of my frequent stops when surfing the interwebz are the various vintage guitar stores as well as GBASE and REVERB. Some are good, some are shit, but one must look at everything to sometimes pick up a bargain or pickup a rare find. A year or so back James picked up an almost mint 66 Epiphone Sorrento real cheap because the photos were basically crap and the guitar had not been cleaned. But there are a number of sites that do have superb photos and enough photos to show the entire instrument or amplifier. Sometimes I just like to browse these sites and kick the tyres for half an hour or so.
A week or so back I saw an acoustic guitar on REVERB and asked a couple of questions concerning the nut width and the condition of the instrument. Turns out the nut width is exactly what I like and the answers to the questions gelled with the clear and hi-res photos found at the sellers site.
http://truevintageguitar.com/inventory/ ... son-j-200/
This is the type of acoustic that George Harrison played many White album, Let It Be and Abbey Road tracks with, including HERE COMES THE SUN. His was a 67 or 68 model.
Now the thing about the 60s model of this guitar is that in 1961 Gibson made some changes to the design which included:
- Addition of a Tune-o-matic adjustable metal bridge
- Larger one piece neck block that wrapped around under the fingerboard extention
- A really large maple bridge plate, with 4 metal bolts (two for the tunematic adjustment, two as bridge bolts.)
- The addition of a large, suspended wooden brace under the top, between the bridge and the soundhole. In the middle of the brace is a large metal screw, held against the top. Apparently this brace was added to keep the front of the bridge from sinking. two versions of this brace were used.
Although I do not like the notion of a tune-o-matic bridge in an acoustic guitar (and I suspect the tune-o-matic itself and its mounting may have contributed to the front of the bridge sinking), it is this last addition of the wooden brace that I do not like. Anecdotally, it appears that this large wooden brace can sometimes kill the sparkle and tone of the guitar. So it is almost a crap shoot when buying a 60s version of this guitar on line as to whether the guitar sounds good or bad. Apparently one of the mods to these guitars in the 60s and later was to have the brace removed.
Given the recordings George Harrison made with his 67 or 68 version of this guitar (and subsequently Bob Dylan who George gave it to, and can be seen on the cover of the album NASHVILLE SKYLINE) are superb, the tone of his guitar was not affected by the brace.
So I had always left my searches for this guitar in the 1950s period ... the 40s are to old and too expensive for me and I have no way of trying out any 60s variants as effectively they are as common here in Oz as rocking horse shit.
As a bonus, this 1958 model uses tuners that had been Epiphone style tuners. Gibson had moved basically all of the Epiphone stock and product from New York to Kalamazoo when they bought Epiphone the previous year. In 1958 only 131 of these types were manufactured.
[The information about the change of specs and the pics below have been "borrowed" from this awesome website http://www.guitarhq.com/ ]
Here are some photos of the changes that occurred in 1961. Larger neck block and large wooden brace.
So after some discussions with the seller, we came to an agreement on cost and shipping and the 59 year old lady was shipped out on Thursday Oz time and landed today, Saturday. The seller has allowed me to use some of his photos here and when the guitar arrives on Monday I shall take some more "made it safely to Oz" pics.
I give you a 1958 Gibson J-200 flattop acoustic guitar:
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WHOA!!!
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Very cool, and extra points for the Epi tuners that Gibson "rebranded"
I have always wanted one of these old J200s...back in the mid 90s I had an Epiphone version and it was a pretty neat guitar...I can only imagine what an old one sounds like!!
I have always wanted one of these old J200s...back in the mid 90s I had an Epiphone version and it was a pretty neat guitar...I can only imagine what an old one sounds like!!
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A thing of beauty. Congrats.
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Yowza!!
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Holy shit David!! The is a holy grail right there!! Congrats!
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