Jaguar 4-way switch diagram (with rhythm circuit)

[clifford]

Hello,

I am modding a Squier VM Jaguar to use a 4-way Telecaster switch for Bridge/Parallel/Neck/Series. But I'd like to keep the rhythm circuit as-is.

I believe all I would need to do is just follow the Telecaster wiring diagram and hook up the wire coming from the rhythm circuit into the neck position of the 4-way switch but I'm not sure if/how the Tone or Volume is wired into the 4-way. I'm a little confused after pouring over diagrams for the Johnny Marr and American Pro Jags in order to figure this out.

Could someone post a diagram they could share if they have done this mod before. Thanks!

[_nash]

I have a drawing for this... but I can't seem to find it tonight.
Maybe instead of thinking of it as a Tele with a rhythm circuit, think of it as a Jag with a 4-way (honestly not trying to sound like a jerk there). So you just need to swap the leads of the pickups and the "hot" from the tone pot into the 4-way switch. On a Jag, the hot come in from the jack to the lead/rhythm switch, (keeping with the lead circuit) then to the volume pot, over to the tone, then to the switch and out to the pickups. It's similar in a Tele but the hot comes in and out the volume pot.

So do you want yours wired like a Marr Jag with a rhythm circuit or a Telecaster with a rhythm circuit?

[clifford]

Okay, I think that clears up a lot of the confusion in my head. I was looking at some wiring diagrams for a 4-way Telecaster and the hot from the volume pot didn't make any sense when I compared it to the Jag diagrams.

So yes, like a Marr Jag but with the rhythm circuit.

[mike fried]

Additional info in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=106351

[clifford]

If anyone has a diagram, I'd appreciate it. I'm confused where the wire from the rhythm circuit goes into the 4-way. Thanks.

[_nash]

Give this a try:

[clifford]

Thanks nash!

[clifford]

Hmm. Something not right. I'm getting noise when I use the trem. It seems like a grounding issue. Also the tone is rather muddy. Could there be an error in the schematic?

***EDIT***

Okay, nevermind. Think I got it. Thanks again.

[Causeforabortion]

I would love a more detailed drawing of this schematic. Going crazy over here trying to do the same.

[timtam]

I would love a more detailed drawing of this schematic. Going crazy over here trying to do the same.

Here's a schematic of the Marr circuit but with the rhythm circuit preserved. That's a relatively simple variation on the stock Marr circuit. You just take the neck hot (that goes direct to the 4-way in the Marr) and send it to the rhythm/lead switch (as it would on a vintage-wired jag). And then you take that neck signal from the rhythm-OFF position of that switch back to the 4-way switch in the Marr circuit. Finally, the 'output' of the Marr circuit goes back to the other pole of rhythm/lead switch (as would the output of the conventional lead circuit). Everything else in the stock Marr and rhythm circuits stays the same.

Of course with the upper plate rhythm circuit controls preserved you would have to find somewhere else to put the Marr's bright (strangle) and series bright switches (eg two mini-toggle switches placed somewhere) ... or just drop those from the schematic shown (ie bridge the wires across where those two switches are shown).

Stock Marr and vintage circuits shown at the bottom for comparison.



Stock Marr


Stock vintage

[einpresstiefe]

Here's a collection of all the different switching orders for the 4-way. IMO the Marr setup works with the exclusive bass-cut on the series position, but I prefer the both-pickups-on positions to be next to each other on Telecasters.

[Twang Deluxe]

I would love a more detailed drawing of this schematic. Going crazy over here trying to do the same.

Here's a schematic of the Marr circuit but with the rhythm circuit preserved. That's a relatively simple variation on the stock Marr circuit. You just take the neck hot (that goes direct to the 4-way in the Marr) and send it to the rhythm/lead switch (as it would on a vintage-wired jag). And then you take that neck signal from the rhythm-OFF position of that switch back to the 4-way switch in the Marr circuit. Finally, the 'output' of the Marr circuit goes back to the other pole of rhythm/lead switch (as would the output of the conventional lead circuit). Everything else in the stock Marr and rhythm circuits stays the same.

Of course with the upper plate rhythm circuit controls preserved you would have to find somewhere else to put the Marr's bright (strangle) and series bright switches (eg two mini-toggle switches placed somewhere) ... or just drop those from the schematic shown (ie bridge the wires across where those two switches are shown).

Stock Marr and vintage circuits shown at the bottom for comparison.



Stock Marr


Stock vintage

Both pickups in series is very useful