Reviving the Jagstang 2.0

[neutralomen]

@s_mcsleazy

Funny you should say that. As you can see in this new guide, the thickest points must be equidistant from the center. Before the butt was a bit too far out, so good eye there.

Ok everyone, here's mark III. I made sure to separate things into 3 zones. One for exact mustang measurements, one for exact jag, and then the area with the original shape to combine the two.

I also made the proportions and angle guides clearer. The third image is the most up to date mockup. This includes a slightly smaller bottom half.

What do you guys think?

[Heartland]

ROCK!!!

[Fiddy]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

[neutralomen]

Heh. If I find a guitar maker to make an official pattern for cutting, I'll pass it along.

[JVG]

I agree it's a night-and-day improvement over the oringinsl. The only thing I'm slightly uncomfortable with is the juxtaposition of the mustang lower horn and the jag upper horn. I'd be inclined to give the upper horn a slight inward curve, kind of like a hybrid between a jag and a mustang horn.

But that's just a small issue. It's bloody great.

Definitely looks better with the single coil shape in the bridge pickup.

Cheers!
J.

[neutralomen]

yeah to me, the jag horn and the mustang horn together are the boldest thing about the design. It makes it greater than just an offset Mustang. The extreme dip from horn to horn is so hip and interesting to me. I can see how it might be a bit much to some people's sensibilities but I think it makes the shape!

[punkacc9]

Your first drawing looked best. Hate the way you slimmed it in the middle later on. Just take a jaguar and mustang but bring the jaguar in a bit. No pinching or adding more of a butt or angle. That's what looks best.

[punkacc9]

What I don't think works and throws it off is the way the lower left corner is. It extends farther out than the jag horn and the waist is too slim. Bring that hip I guess you can say, in more like a mustang. If you look at a mustang, the top horn and the top hip are nearly parallel to each other.

[neutralomen]

What you're looking at is an illusion. I didn't pinch the middle at all. The hips and right hand horn are *exactly* mustang proportions, so no pinching is going on at all. The illusion is because the original jaguar body is *significantly* wider across than the mustang. In order to "hybrid" the two, you need to shave off a lot of the jaguar butt and sides. Look at the picture with the "unused" jaguar bits. Look at the hips. they are "exactly mustang. You might say to compensate for the hybridized, extended butt by *widening* the hips, but in my opinion that throws the proportions of the body off of the pickguard, control plate and other hardware. To me, the shape, width, and offset of the Mustang pickups, pickguard, control plate and hips must govern the rest of the design.

In developing this design, I can see *why* Fender took the sides in, because of how severely wide the Jaguar body is. they just went WAY overboard, and pinched it too much. As it turns out, you don't need to pinch at all. It's the original Mustang hips it just *looks* a little pinched compared to a jaguar body.

Remember, the Mustang is a much smaller, narrower body than the Jaguar. This can't be as wide as a jag. It's a hybrid between a Jag and a Mustang. The only way to do that IMO is the way it's been done above. If you slap mustang hardware on a Jag body, it looks way too fat compared to the Mustang hardware. Most importantly, the Jag's offset is a deeper angle than the Mustang's, and that takes the unity away from the offset.

As to the bottom of the guitar, again, it's in keeping with the pickup/hip angle, but it's shaved in to stay balanced against the Mustang's center. I'll probably keep tweaking this, but IMO it's very close to what I think the right way to hybrid the two bodies should be.

[neutralomen]

What I don't think works and throws it off is the way the lower left corner is. It extends farther out than the jag horn and the waist is too slim. Bring that hip I guess you can say, in more like a mustang. If you look at a mustang, the top horn and the top hip are nearly parallel to each other.

I disagree about them being parallel. They're not parallel on a Jaguar, and if I did make them parallel, it would begin to look like the current Jagstang. Too skinny, too stretched on the Y axis. Again, the "hip squeeze" is currently the *exact* Mustang hips. Bringing them in any more would be, again, like Fender's current jagstang, which makes it look like a Mustang in a Girder.

[neutralomen]

Ok. Thanks everyone for your feedback. One person pointed out that the bottom angle was too deep, and they were right. that was an error on my part. It was intended to be like the one you're about to see.

I slightly hybridized the upper horn but I really didn't want to go too far.

So that we're all on the same page, you can see that the middle section is identical to a mustang. There is no room for pinching, nor should there be any, IMO. Included is an image of all three superimposed. To me, this is the way to properly hybridize these guitars.



This is my favorite version! What do you all think of MKIV?

[raphaël]

MKIV is great !!!

And what about changing the place of the sliders on the upper horn so you could put a chrome plate and/or make a different pickguard?
THAT would bring the guitar more into the jag territory, imo of course

[neutralomen]

Nah, IMO one of the most attractive shapes about this is the round Mustang guard against the big horn. That relationship is so cool to me. Besides, I intend to actually make this, and if all goes to plan, all it'll need will be a Mustang kit. I don't want to get into like, custom pickguards and control plates.

So glad you like it!

[egosheep]

Looking good. When I made mine, I went with all Jaguar but with a Mustang lower horn.

One change I would consider on your design is using a lefty mustang control plate flipped over so that it matches the curve of the body more.

Here's mine:

[neutralomen]

yeah that looks cool but one of my major design goals here is to stay true to Kurt's vision, but take his crude drawing and make it work as a more professional shape. I do like that though. it's just a little too much jag and not enough must!