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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Futuron » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:13 am

Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 am



Thanks a lot for your input timtam, I really do.
Thing is, and I feel really dumb for it, I'm completely useless at decipher electronics wiring and drawn the new one accordingly, I tried to follow your description and the schematics you've posted but, for the life of me, I have no idea on how to translate it.
I can only solder according to a given diagram, nothing more. That's why I included a blank layout on which to drawn the connections between parts as per description.
I do apologies for my lack of expertise on the subject, that's why I've asked for a better help with the drawing.


Somebody check this to confirm:
(The switching should be correct, but I'm not sure on the pots as per usual.)

The brown ones are all ground connections, I did it this way to reduce the amount of lines going everywhere but if you prefer to make all of the ground connections straight to the tone pot go ahead.
I don't know what colour wire is what on whichever humbucker you're using so I just labelled + & - for each coil. You'll have to find out which wire corresponds.
I also wasn't sure if your neck pickup has 2 or 3 wires, so I ordered the series connection as though you only have 2, and drew the 3rd wire on there anyway in case you do have 3. If it isn't, just ignore it.
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NOTE: because you have a Jazzmaster 3-way instead of Jag switches, in series mode: neck position is a dead spot, middle & bridge positions are both pickups in series. In parallel mode everything is as should be expected.

Parallel:
Neck only
Neck & Bridge humbucker in parallel / Neck & Bridge single in parallel
Bridge humbucker only / Bridge single only

Series:
Dead
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by timtam » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:33 am

Marshsticks wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:08 am
timtam wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:58 am
Marshsticks wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:08 am
Hey, this appears to be the right place for this... :)

I was hoping to get some help with the specific wiring for my Jazzmasters! So at present I have the lead circuit as stock (master tone/ vol, 3 way switch) and I've done the series/ parallel mod to the rhythm switch, with up being series and the two roller pots being removed entirely.

What I'd like to do is expand on this to use the holes and make the guitar a little more flexible to my needs. I've heard people mention a series only bright switch such as in the Johhny Marr Jag, I'd like to wire one of those in where the rhythm cicuit volume was. I'd also like to repurpose the 1meg mini roller pot as an independent tone control for the neck pickup, putting that in the lower rhythm cicuit hole. Meaning I'd then have... master volume, lower tone as bridge only, roller pot as tone for neck only, series parallel switch on the upper horn and a series only bright switch next to it. Bonus points if you can make the 'kill' position bridge in series rather than neck in series which it currently is, as I'm far more likely to want to step down from series to neck only for rhythm playing.

Can you help me out with the wiring for this? I can follow a schematic fine but the actual wiring, particularly the bright switch, is completely over my head! Thanks in advance!
The series bright switch in the Marr circuit is dead simple - just a 0.003uF cap DPDT switch circuit in between the negative end of the neck pickup and the positive of the bridge pickup, when the series circuit that connects the pickup ends in that way is selected (on the 4way in the Marr), as in the schematic ...
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Marr wiring diagram ...
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... B_SISD.pdf
Thanks, you're right that it does seem very simple! With the three way toggle and dedicated series/parallel set up, where exactly would I wire it?
The Marr concept is a little different in that the series connection is made by the specific wire connections EXTERNAL to the 4way that are engaged when the series position of the 4way switch is selected. If your jazzmaster rhythm circuit switch has been re-purposed to switch between series and parallel connections as shown below, then it is the INTERNAL DPDT switch connections that engage the respective series or parallel connections between the pickups.
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https://guitar.com/guides/diy-workshop/ ... t-guitars/

What that means is that in the Marr circuit, Fender could easily add the series bright switch in-line to the series external wiring. But for the jazzmaster rhythm DPDT switch, you obviously can't add extra wiring inside the switch. The solution that springs first to mind is to add it as a general bright switch, that affects both series and parallel, and the individual pickup selections (eg like the jag's standard strangle switch). In that case you would put the Marr (series) bright circuit/switch in the output line from the toggle switch.

Wherever it goes in the circuit scheme, whether it will all fit physically in the roller section ... I don't know. Nor how useful the sound might be. ;)

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Marshsticks » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:10 am

Timtam, thanks so much for clearing that up. It hadn't occurred to me that there was such a difference between the four way and the three way plus dpdt but when you put it like that it's obvious!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Futuron » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:50 am

Hey guys, if the series wiring you have is indeed the same as the above diagram, then you actually can use a bright switch in 'series only', by doing a slight modification to the series/parallel switch.

Instead of the neck hot wire going to the top left, connect it to the middle right. Remove the diagonal jumper wire. Then connect the bright switch in/outs to the top left and top right. Done!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Marshsticks » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:20 am

Futuron wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:50 am
Hey guys, if the series wiring you have is indeed the same as the above diagram, then you actually can use a bright switch in 'series only', by doing a slight modification to the series/parallel switch.

Instead of the neck hot wire going to the top left, connect it to the middle right. Remove the diagonal jumper wire. Then connect the bright switch in/outs to the top left and top right. Done!
Wow, so the top ins and outs on the s/p switch are now able to send and return to components which will only be in the circuit when the switch is up? In that case could I theoretically wire a basic volume control in there too? So that I'd have regular three way control, parallel middle with the s/p switch down and both pickups in series with a bright switch and a dedicated volume with the switch up?

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Futuron » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:16 pm

Yeah, just like daisy-chaining effect pedals. But note that it would still over all be subject to the master volume too.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Amon 7.L » Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:14 am

Futuron wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:13 am
Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 am



Thanks a lot for your input timtam, I really do.
Thing is, and I feel really dumb for it, I'm completely useless at decipher electronics wiring and drawn the new one accordingly, I tried to follow your description and the schematics you've posted but, for the life of me, I have no idea on how to translate it.
I can only solder according to a given diagram, nothing more. That's why I included a blank layout on which to drawn the connections between parts as per description.
I do apologies for my lack of expertise on the subject, that's why I've asked for a better help with the drawing.


Somebody check this to confirm:
(The switching should be correct, but I'm not sure on the pots as per usual.)

The brown ones are all ground connections, I did it this way to reduce the amount of lines going everywhere but if you prefer to make all of the ground connections straight to the tone pot go ahead.
I don't know what colour wire is what on whichever humbucker you're using so I just labelled + & - for each coil. You'll have to find out which wire corresponds.
I also wasn't sure if your neck pickup has 2 or 3 wires, so I ordered the series connection as though you only have 2, and drew the 3rd wire on there anyway in case you do have 3. If it isn't, just ignore it.
Image

NOTE: because you have a Jazzmaster 3-way instead of Jag switches, in series mode: neck position is a dead spot, middle & bridge positions are both pickups in series. In parallel mode everything is as should be expected.

Parallel:
Neck only
Neck & Bridge humbucker in parallel / Neck & Bridge single in parallel
Bridge humbucker only / Bridge single only

Series:
Dead
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series


Thanks a lot Futuron, this is exactly what I need.
The neck pickup is a 2-wire off a CIJ and I can sort out the colour codes for the humbucker, no problem with that.

If someone is able to confirm this schematic I'll be good to go.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:44 am

Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 am
Futuron wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:13 am
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NOTE: because you have a Jazzmaster 3-way instead of Jag switches, in series mode: neck position is a dead spot, middle & bridge positions are both pickups in series. In parallel mode everything is as should be expected.

Parallel:
Neck only
Neck & Bridge humbucker in parallel / Neck & Bridge single in parallel
Bridge humbucker only / Bridge single only

Series:
Dead
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series
If someone is able to confirm this schematic I'll be good to go.
Confirmed! Everything looks good, and you will have a dead spot in 3-way neck position with series engaged. Looks like a fun guitar too!!!
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http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=104282&p=1438384#p1438384

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Amon 7.L » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:46 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:44 am
Amon 7.L wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 am
Futuron wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:13 am
Image

NOTE: because you have a Jazzmaster 3-way instead of Jag switches, in series mode: neck position is a dead spot, middle & bridge positions are both pickups in series. In parallel mode everything is as should be expected.

Parallel:
Neck only
Neck & Bridge humbucker in parallel / Neck & Bridge single in parallel
Bridge humbucker only / Bridge single only

Series:
Dead
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series
Neck & Bridge humbucker in series / Neck & Bridge single in series
If someone is able to confirm this schematic I'll be good to go.
Confirmed! Everything looks good, and you will have a dead spot in 3-way neck position with series engaged. Looks like a fun guitar too!!!

Splendid, Jason! Yes, it's indeed a fun guitar to play, one of my favourite pickup combos.
Extra thanks to both of you and Futuron for your help, guys. Much appreciated

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:19 am

I didn't do much, but you're welcome :)
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Nvmabee » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:51 pm

I'm new to the forum, I'm confident saying this is the best board I've ever found.

I have a request I don't think has already been sorted. I'll explain a little first but hopefully the images help make this clear.

I'm basically building a KC jag, but I'm not trying to make a replica. I'm referencing the KC jag diagram from page 1 of this discussion, but adding the following:
1. 3 position slide switch to enable series, parallel and split coil for each humbucker. (i think an 8 pole DPDT will work here...)
2. same 3 position switch for the pickup selector (n, n/b, b)
3. since I"m already using 3 position switches. I want to have a lead circuit strangle switch that has a clean position in the middle, a standard .003uF cap in the up position and maybe a black ice or something in the down position.
** I plan on mounting the 4 switches in a modified bassVI control plate.

I think I can sort out the pickup selector and the strangle switch but the 3 position pickup switch (series, parallel, split coil) is way over my head.

I'm having trouble getting the images to insert but they load in a new tab if you right click on the image icon.

this is the shadoweclipse13 diagram I'm referencing...
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This is a diagram of what I'm trying to create. I generally know how the schematic is structured, but I don't know how the wires are organized within the poles of the 3 position switches... honestly, I"m not even sure they need to be 8 pole DPDT. although I do want them to look like classic jag slide switches
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thanks in advance.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:36 pm

Nvmabee wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:51 pm
I'm new to the forum, I'm confident saying this is the best board I've ever found.

I have a request I don't think has already been sorted. I'll explain a little first but hopefully the images help make this clear.

I'm basically building a KC jag, but I'm not trying to make a replica. I'm referencing the KC jag diagram from page 1 of this discussion, but adding the following:
1. 3 position slide switch to enable series, parallel and split coil for each humbucker. (i think an 8 pole DPDT will work here...)
2. same 3 position switch for the pickup selector (n, n/b, b)
3. since I"m already using 3 position switches. I want to have a lead circuit strangle switch that has a clean position in the middle, a standard .003uF cap in the up position and maybe a black ice or something in the down position.
** I plan on mounting the 4 switches in a modified bassVI control plate.

I think I can sort out the pickup selector and the strangle switch but the 3 position pickup switch (series, parallel, split coil) is way over my head.

I'm having trouble getting the images to insert but they load in a new tab if you right click on the image icon.

this is the shadoweclipse13 diagram I'm referencing...
Image

This is a diagram of what I'm trying to create. I generally know how the schematic is structured, but I don't know how the wires are organized within the poles of the 3 position switches... honestly, I"m not even sure they need to be 8 pole DPDT. although I do want them to look like classic jag slide switches
Image

thanks in advance.
Hey man! I'm happy to take a look at these and help you out, but the picture links don't work. Could you try something else for the pictures?
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Nvmabee » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:12 am

I feel a little bit dumb for not being able to get these images posted properly...

hopefully this works.

These are hosted on imgur. that doesn't mean they're going to show up for you. they show up when I preview this post, they show up for me when I visit on a laptop, but don't when I visit on my phone. anyway... here goes:

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in the overall schematic I created I'm NOT 100% what I'm trying to do is possible. Hopefully it's a puzzle that can be solved.
As I mentioned, I'm trying to keep the sliders as the main interface with the guitar. I really like the idea fender had with the jag of eliminating toggle switch that could be inadvertently flipped while playing. In my own guitar I want to celebrate that idea. I say that cuz this is all a lot easier with typical toggle/flip switches.


I think I may have sorted out the (series-parallel-split) DPDT wiring... here's an images of what I'm thinking

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I might have the pickup selector figure out.... But there may a dead spot in the middle position. here's my first pass (it's actually my 15th pass but I think this works)

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I definitely don't have the double cap 3 position strangle switch - the standard clean and strangle 2 position is easy. it's getting the clean AND the second cap without creating a loop... that is the trouble-maker... worts case scenario the third position is a sort of kill-switch (aka dead spot)

here is my flagrantly wrong 3 position strangle switch diagram. the standard position works, but the additional position is linked to the pole

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also, I don't know where the strangle switch fits in the schematic so that it only affects the lead circuit.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by monkfish » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:55 am

Ahoy-hoy. This looks like the place I need to be. Hope you can help me, noobie/basic question.

I'm building a JM with Q Pickups tapped single coils, i.e. not humbuckers but single coils with a true tap- one vintage output, one hot. 3 wires: vintage, hot, ground. I'm planning to do the "both pickups to rhythm circuit" mod using the excellent diagram above but add a pair of switches to select the output for each pickup. These will be DPDT 2 way sliders like the rhythm circuit on/off, I will add these next to the 3 way toggle. I think I understand the rest of the circuit but I'm not sure how to wire the switches. Help!

Cheers!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:06 am

monkfish wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:55 am
Ahoy-hoy. This looks like the place I need to be. Hope you can help me, noobie/basic question.

I'm building a JM with Q Pickups tapped single coils, i.e. not humbuckers but single coils with a true tap- one vintage output, one hot. 3 wires: vintage, hot, ground. I'm planning to do the "both pickups to rhythm circuit" mod using the excellent diagram above but add a pair of switches to select the output for each pickup. These will be DPDT 2 way sliders like the rhythm circuit on/off, I will add these next to the 3 way toggle. I think I understand the rest of the circuit but I'm not sure how to wire the switches. Help!

Cheers!
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Found this on the Seymour Duncan site (which is another really great resource for schematics and ideas). If you look at the DPDT switch that the 2 hot wires from the bridge pickup go to, that's what you want (middle lug: common, top lug: vintage or hot, bottom lug: vintage or hot (opposite of the other lug)). That should do exactly what you need it to!
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