Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by SY6655321 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:23 pm

Hey Shadow, I've got a conundrum. You seem to be pretty good with mustang switches (I'm not).

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Here's what I came up with:
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Will this work? Any ideas or suggestions?

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:31 am

What do you mean by "switch"? Theres a 3rd one in the schematics? Because I tried the first option (N series + B off), and it's a dead setting.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:34 am

Also, B+N is is actually B+N in series. Haven't tried the other ones...
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:58 am

Mustang/DP3T switches are tricky. I've attempted making a few schematics with them using those jumpers you have on terminals 3-5 and 4-6 on both, and what I always end up finding is that, they mess you up. Those jumpers might help for one or two positions, but for a third they just make some other connection that you don't want to make, likely a dead-spot (as Gordon has already mentioned ;D). I think you're on the right track with having an off position for the switch, as that makes things a little easier I think.

Unless Gordon beats me to it, I'll take a look at seeing what I can come up with this weekend for you 8)
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:39 am

Well, there has to be a dead spot (pickups in series when one is off). I'll see what I can do, but I don't like slide switches... :D
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:46 am

Quick try, waiting for confirmation... Dead spot is inevitable, but I think the rest works. I moved the positions of the switches as well, I don't think the off position on the middle is doable.

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Post by Gordon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:50 am

Also, it's almost 11pm here and I'm tired after an hectic day, so I may have missed something. :D
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by SY6655321 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:00 pm

damn. well, thanks anyways guys.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:45 pm

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damn. well, thanks anyways guys.
If the guard isn't routed yet, I'd suggest you do so with 2-pos slide switches instead, and use a push-pull for the phase reversal. The only way to get all options without a dead spot. And it's also easier to read when you play (switch-heads like me think of the different options, but too often forget about the playability :ph34r: )...
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by SY6655321 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:37 pm

Gordon wrote:
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If the guard isn't routed yet, I'd suggest you do so with 2-pos slide switches instead, and use a push-pull for the phase reversal. The only way to get all options without a dead spot. And it's also easier to read when you play (switch-heads like me think of the different options, but too often forget about the playability :ph34r: )...
Thankfully nothing is routed or set in stone yet, just ideas. My plan is to have an on/off switch for each pickup then send them to a 3 way switch wired like an Esquire (thats what the "SWITCH" was in my diagram). But like you said, my mind started going crazy with options and combinations.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:45 pm

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Thankfully nothing is routed or set in stone yet, just ideas. My plan is to have an on/off switch for each pickup then send them to a 3 way switch wired like an Esquire (thats what the "SWITCH" was in my diagram). But like you said, my mind started going crazy with options and combinations.
The issue with having the pickups in series is than none of them can be off, since it cuts the signal completely. A 2-position switch (toggle or slide, but DPDT) allows a clever trick: they work as individual on/off switches, but when both are on their off position, pickups are actually wired in series. I think the out-of-phase option is rarely useful, so having it on a push-pull is fine in my book.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by SY6655321 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:53 am

Gordon wrote:
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The issue with having the pickups in series is than none of them can be off, since it cuts the signal completely.
Yeah, I know you need both pickups on to get series, just like you would to get your pickups out of phase.
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A 2-position switch (toggle or slide, but DPDT) allows a clever trick: they work as individual on/off switches, but when both are on their off position, pickups are actually wired in series.
with a 3-position switch, you should be able to do that and more...
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I think the out-of-phase option is rarely useful, so having it on a push-pull is fine in my book.
Really? I prefer OoP to Series... was hoping to be able to get OoP In Series!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:08 am

You could do out-of-phase and series together, but it would definitely be tricky with 3-way sliders. It would be easier to have a 4-way Tele/Marr-Guar blade switch, and then a separate slider/switch for the out-of-phase.

That's the way I'd do it: with only 2 pickups, have a 4-way switch with B/B+N (parallel)/N/B+N (series), and then a separate switch for the phase option. OR you could do a rotary that could have all of those options on a single switch, and in a way that wouldn't allow for any dead spots.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Gordon » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:53 pm

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with a 3-position switch, you should be able to do that and more...
https://img2.stewmac.com/product/images ... itches.jpg
You sure can; but because of the way poles connects, you're left with only two options:

- you get a dead spot; that is, of course, a bit of a bummer
- you wire it like a 2-pos, and connect the extra poles to the middle position; which gives you twice the same setting on one switch, it's silly

It's a problem for the parallel/series option, the out-of-phase is easy on the 3-pos (to avoid a push-pull), so you can always have two different switches. So, with what you want to have, there are four choices:

- one dead setting
- one superfluous setting
- no dead spot, but an extra push-pull
- no dead spot, but two different slide switches

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by hpr_hpr » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:03 pm

OK, I'll add to the confusion such as it is . . . . .

The most elegant solution I've found here is 2 2P2T sliders and a push/pull

Why?

The sliders can give you neck, series, parralel, bridge with the push/pull providing the phase switch ... all options are available and instantly recognizable from the switches.
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