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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Flurko » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:54 am

If anyone has any idea for my latest conondrum...
I'm trying once again the old 'behind-the-bridge pickup' experiment, with my old Les Paul copy with a tailpiece moved far away from the brige.

I started from a basic pre-wired kit, with 2 pickups, 3-way switch, vol & tone pots. I tried to install the btb pickup in a simple way, going in a volume knob and straight to the jack, and from there it all goes tits up...

Does anyone knows how to sort out my wiring so I have real separate volume controls for the guitar pickups and the btb pickups ? I just want to roll the 2 volume knobs on and off to select the regular guitar sound, regular guitar + btb pickup, or isolated btb pickup.
Thanks a lot !

edit : i finally figured out my problem myself... just had to wire the volume pots like a jazz bass (which an hour ago meant nothing to me), ie. with the hot wire coming from the pickup on the middle tab, and the wire to the jack on the side tab. did'nt realize it was the same idea w/ the modern vs. traditional les paul wiring.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Blomberg » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 pm

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:03 pm
Ok cool. I do think we can figure out something. I do still feel that a rotary would be the best option, but we can definitely use the upper switches for some stuff too. I will start to tackle this properly after I'm off vacation. If you think of anything (changes, ideas, etc.), let me know.
OK, so I have another idea :D

I've rethought things and am now considering leaving the Mustang alone, but instead putting two P-Rails with proper Seymour Duncan Triple-Shot rings into another guitar (new project, yay :w00t:).

In this scenario, all the splitting and parallel/series'ing is taken care of by the Triple-shot rings, so I was wondering if I could do a pickup selector with:

neck
neck/bridge
neck/bridge reverse phase
bridge

maybe on a rotary switch? Sounds pretty simple, but I know nothing about how those switches work and if that's feasible.

Or is there another switch type that makes more sense? I think I've seen 4-way tele switches, but honestly I think rotary switches look cool as f... 8)

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:07 am

Blomberg wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 pm
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:03 pm
Ok cool. I do think we can figure out something. I do still feel that a rotary would be the best option, but we can definitely use the upper switches for some stuff too. I will start to tackle this properly after I'm off vacation. If you think of anything (changes, ideas, etc.), let me know.
OK, so I have another idea :D

I've rethought things and am now considering leaving the Mustang alone, but instead putting two P-Rails with proper Seymour Duncan Triple-Shot rings into another guitar (new project, yay :w00t:).

In this scenario, all the splitting and parallel/series'ing is taken care of by the Triple-shot rings, so I was wondering if I could do a pickup selector with:

neck
neck/bridge
neck/bridge reverse phase
bridge

maybe on a rotary switch? Sounds pretty simple, but I know nothing about how those switches work and if that's feasible.

Or is there another switch type that makes more sense? I think I've seen 4-way tele switches, but honestly I think rotary switches look cool as f... 8)
I think the rotary, especially if you like the way they look, is the best option for this. Doing a 4-way Tele blade switch wouldn't be much of a thing either though if you prefer that.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Blomberg » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:54 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:07 am
I think the rotary, especially if you like the way they look, is the best option for this. Doing a 4-way Tele blade switch wouldn't be much of a thing either though if you prefer that.
Yeah, I'm liking the rotary idea, I think. If I can fit one in there. Don't have the intended body yet.
What type would I need for this? Would a 2-pole, 4-position be enough, or do I need more poles?

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by ThePearDream » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:52 am

Blomberg wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:54 am
Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:07 am
I think the rotary, especially if you like the way they look, is the best option for this. Doing a 4-way Tele blade switch wouldn't be much of a thing either though if you prefer that.
Yeah, I'm liking the rotary idea, I think. If I can fit one in there. Don't have the intended body yet.
What type would I need for this? Would a 2-pole, 4-position be enough, or do I need more poles?
I came up with this scheme for a recently completed project and can confirm that it works and that it fit into a small route previously occupied by an import toggle switch. I hope this helps.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:12 am

Oh hell yeah 8) You beat me to it. Very nice ;D
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Blomberg » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:11 am

ThePearDream wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:52 am
I came up with this scheme for a recently completed project and can confirm that it works and that it fit into a small route previously occupied by an import toggle switch. I hope this helps.

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Awesome, thanks. :-*
I'll give it a go once I get some parts in :D

So 3 poles. What's good and small brand-wise for these switches?

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by ThePearDream » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:18 pm

Blomberg wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:11 am
Awesome, thanks. :-*
I'll give it a go once I get some parts in :D

So 3 poles. What's good and small brand-wise for these switches?
The only ones I'm aware of are Alpha. Shadoweclipse13 might know of some other options though.
I purchased from this listing, and have no complaints.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:27 pm

ThePearDream wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:18 pm
Blomberg wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:11 am
Awesome, thanks. :-*
I'll give it a go once I get some parts in :D

So 3 poles. What's good and small brand-wise for these switches?
The only ones I'm aware of are Alpha. Shadoweclipse13 might know of some other options though.
I purchased from this listing, and have no complaints.
I've found other ones that have worked well before, but you can't beat the metal-bodied Alpha rotary switches for guitars. I'd buy that exact one.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by taverniti » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:39 am

I have a Warmoth Mustang build that I am attempting to wire. I have found diagrams for 4-conductor humbuckers, but I have two single conductor Seymour Duncan '59's humbuckers.

I am trying to wire it to two three-way on/on/on switches (8-lugs) and one master volume and one master tone along with a treble bleed.

Can you help? I've scoured the internet for a diagram but everything I come across is either two-way switches or 4-conductor hums.

Thanks!!!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:54 am

Do you have a picture of the humbucker wires? I'd think they would be at least 2 wires, unless it's the old-school Gibson style with one wire inside a metal-braided shield.

The rest of it shouldn't be that difficult.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by taverniti » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:58 am

Yes, it has one center conductor wire with a shielded outer cover (which is typically soldered to ground.)

Thank you for the lightening fast reply!!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:29 pm

Ok cool. What are you looking for the 3-way Mustang slider switches to do? Standard Mustang wiring, something special?
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by taverniti » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:28 am

Nothing special, just standard Mustang wiring.

Thank you!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:51 am

taverniti wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:28 am
Nothing special, just standard Mustang wiring.

Thank you!
Anytime man!

I'm a bit confused though. Why wouldn't using a standard Mustang schematic work? If your humbuckers are one-conductor (technically 2 with the braid), I don't see why using the braid where your pickup ground wire goes wouldn't work. I mean, it's definitely a pain in the ass for the wiring itself (I hate those braids personally), but it should work...
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