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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by agoldberg » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:22 pm

Super cool thread! I've been deep diving this thread for about an hour now!

I have a question myself:

I was considering slightly modifying the Rhythm Circuit on may Jazzmaster so that when it was engaged, both pickups would be on in series, as apposed to the traditional single neck pickup, while keeping the lead circuit working as normal. I have been wracking my brain trying to decipher wiring diagrams and searching for hours on forums such as this for an answer but I can't seem to find anyone doing similar things unless it's specifically for a series/parallel switch.

My question is, what to I need to do to accomplish this? Do I need to swap out the current switch with a 3PDT switch? This may be a simple question that has been answered elsewhere, and if so, can someone direct me to it?

Thank you again for the schematics. I'll be back on this thread regularly for more mod inspiration!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:59 pm

agoldberg wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:22 pm
Super cool thread! I've been deep diving this thread for about an hour now! ... ... Thank you again for the schematics. I'll be back on this thread regularly for more mod inspiration!
You're welcome man!! I'm always happy to help, and I love figuring this stuff out.
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I have a question myself:

I was considering slightly modifying the Rhythm Circuit on may Jazzmaster so that when it was engaged, both pickups would be on in series, as apposed to the traditional single neck pickup, while keeping the lead circuit working as normal. I have been wracking my brain trying to decipher wiring diagrams and searching for hours on forums such as this for an answer but I can't seem to find anyone doing similar things unless it's specifically for a series/parallel switch.

My question is, what to I need to do to accomplish this? Do I need to swap out the current switch with a 3PDT switch? This may be a simple question that has been answered elsewhere, and if so, can someone direct me to it?
It's possible to do what you say with a 3PDT switch, but my question first is: do you want the series part on whenever the rhythm circuit is engaged, or do you want the rhythm circuit to be engaged separately from a series/parallel option? If you want separate, I'd just use my schematic that does the JM rhythm circuit for both pickups, and put the series/parallel option on a push-pull pot on either the lead circuit volume and tone. I will say that rhythm circuit series would likely be pretty dark (unusably dark, I don't know).

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Here's my diagram for a standard JM, except for where the rhythm circuit works for both pickups (basically, the 3-way toggle isn't taken out of the circuit for the rhythm, just the lead circuit's volume and tone pots).

If you're wanting to switch from any of the 3 positions in the lead circuit directly to series-rhythm, that might be a bit trickier, if doable. I've never looked into it, but I could if that's what you're looking for.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by knightangel13th » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:00 pm

HI,I found something very interesting about one of your wiring diagram for frpax;3 humbuckers,seperate volume and tone,2P3T mustang slider...interesting because I'm working on a 12 strings prototype with very similar wiring with 3x MM5 5 strings bass pickup,each one with seperate volume,push/pull tone,2P3T rotary switch instead of mustang switch.Can you tell me how works the master on/off and I'm also thinking about adding a master volume and master tone. :unsure:

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by hamerman55 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:22 am

I'm glad to have stumbled upon this thread too. I'm getting ready to rewire my Jazzmaster with 250k pots in the lead circuit, but wanted to convert the rhythm circuit to the stock lead circuit by changing the 50k pot to 1 meg. With the 1meg pots in the lead circuit, the dual pickup setting is awesome, but the bridge pickup is thin and piercing. What I would really like is to have the rhythm circuit with the two pickups in the normal configuration (1 meg pots and parallel) and the lead circuit with the 250k pots to tame the bridge pickup. I thought it would be useful live to switch from what I would actually use for rhythm (two pickups with 1 meg circuit) and switch to the bridge pickup with the 250k pots. Is that reasonable? It would be a circuit switch and a pickup change with the rhythm/lead switch.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:29 am

knightangel13th wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:00 pm
HI,I found something very interesting about one of your wiring diagram for frpax;3 humbuckers,seperate volume and tone,2P3T mustang slider...interesting because I'm working on a 12 strings prototype with very similar wiring with 3x MM5 5 strings bass pickup,each one with seperate volume,push/pull tone,2P3T rotary switch instead of mustang switch.Can you tell me how works the master on/off and I'm also thinking about adding a master volume and master tone. :unsure:
I keep forgetting to work on that one. The one I made for frpax, I believe has an error in the pickup switch. In the case of the master on/off for that schematic, it's literally a switchable kill-switch: instead of a stutter effect, it shuts off all sound from the guitar, killing all signal. I'd imagine it was intended to be used for quiet guitar changes in a live set-up, but I'm not sure.

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I'm glad to have stumbled upon this thread too. I'm getting ready to rewire my Jazzmaster with 250k pots in the lead circuit, but wanted to convert the rhythm circuit to the stock lead circuit by changing the 50k pot to 1 meg. With the 1meg pots in the lead circuit, the dual pickup setting is awesome, but the bridge pickup is thin and piercing. What I would really like is to have the rhythm circuit with the two pickups in the normal configuration (1 meg pots and parallel) and the lead circuit with the 250k pots to tame the bridge pickup. I thought it would be useful live to switch from what I would actually use for rhythm (two pickups with 1 meg circuit) and switch to the bridge pickup with the 250k pots. Is that reasonable? It would be a circuit switch and a pickup change with the rhythm/lead switch.
So, you're saying that the former rhythm circuit would be 2 volume pots (one for each)? I'm not exactly sure what you're wanting to do. Can you draw up a basic switch layout?
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by hamerman55 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:09 pm

Thanks for responding. I would have the former rhythm circuit have both pickups in parallel with a volume and tone like the lead circuit (1 meg for both) instead of just the neck pickup with a 1 meg volume and a 50k tone. The lead circuit would function the same (but I would substitute 250k pots to tame the piercing bridge pickup). Another way to look at it is could you change the rhythm circuit to be bridge and neck, rather than just the neck pickup. Otherwise, I'll use the schematic you drew up where both the rhythm and lead circuit would use the toggle switch.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:40 am

hamerman55 wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:09 pm
Thanks for responding. I would have the former rhythm circuit have both pickups in parallel with a volume and tone like the lead circuit (1 meg for both) instead of just the neck pickup with a 1 meg volume and a 50k tone. The lead circuit would function the same (but I would substitute 250k pots to tame the piercing bridge pickup). Another way to look at it is could you change the rhythm circuit to be bridge and neck, rather than just the neck pickup. Otherwise, I'll use the schematic you drew up where both the rhythm and lead circuit would use the toggle switch.
Sorry for the late reply. If you're only changing pot values (and basically the position of the slider switch), I don't see a need for a new schematic. My schematic for a JM where the rhythm circuit works for both, should work perfect. Unless I'm missing something... The only thing to remember is to change what side of the switch you solder which circuit to. Here's the circuit:
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by hamerman55 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:51 pm

Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try tomorrow. I put 250k pots in the lead circuit to see how they would sound, and the volume pot only passes sound from about 7-10. The 1meg was a better fit. I sort of liked the 250k tone pot. Maybe use the 1meg for volume and 250k for tone?

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by hamerman55 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:00 pm

I figured out the sweep range problem for the volume pot. I used audio taper, not linear taper. So I guess I'm switching pots again.

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:19 pm

You should post a video/audio clip for what the 250K sounds like after you get the taper sorted. I'd be very interested to hear that.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by agoldberg » Wed May 08, 2019 7:11 am

Shadoweclipse13 wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:59 pm
agoldberg wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:22 pm
Super cool thread! I've been deep diving this thread for about an hour now! ... ... Thank you again for the schematics. I'll be back on this thread regularly for more mod inspiration!
You're welcome man!! I'm always happy to help, and I love figuring this stuff out.
agoldberg wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:22 pm
I have a question myself:

I was considering slightly modifying the Rhythm Circuit on may Jazzmaster so that when it was engaged, both pickups would be on in series, as apposed to the traditional single neck pickup, while keeping the lead circuit working as normal. I have been wracking my brain trying to decipher wiring diagrams and searching for hours on forums such as this for an answer but I can't seem to find anyone doing similar things unless it's specifically for a series/parallel switch.

My question is, what to I need to do to accomplish this? Do I need to swap out the current switch with a 3PDT switch? This may be a simple question that has been answered elsewhere, and if so, can someone direct me to it?
It's possible to do what you say with a 3PDT switch, but my question first is: do you want the series part on whenever the rhythm circuit is engaged, or do you want the rhythm circuit to be engaged separately from a series/parallel option? If you want separate, I'd just use my schematic that does the JM rhythm circuit for both pickups, and put the series/parallel option on a push-pull pot on either the lead circuit volume and tone. I will say that rhythm circuit series would likely be pretty dark (unusably dark, I don't know).

Image
Here's my diagram for a standard JM, except for where the rhythm circuit works for both pickups (basically, the 3-way toggle isn't taken out of the circuit for the rhythm, just the lead circuit's volume and tone pots).

If you're wanting to switch from any of the 3 positions in the lead circuit directly to series-rhythm, that might be a bit trickier, if doable. I've never looked into it, but I could if that's what you're looking for.
This looks like it will accomplish what I am looking for. Thank you for the reply!

Basically I want the guitar to function as normal, except when engaging the rhythm circuit, instead of just the neck pickup being active, both pickups would be active in series. No series/parallel switch would be required; the pickups will only be in series when engaging the rhythm circuit. I hope that answers your question.

Thanks again for your help! Your knowledge is invaluable on this Forum!

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Wed May 08, 2019 8:55 pm

agoldberg wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 7:11 am
This looks like it will accomplish what I am looking for. Thank you for the reply!

Basically I want the guitar to function as normal, except when engaging the rhythm circuit, instead of just the neck pickup being active, both pickups would be active in series. No series/parallel switch would be required; the pickups will only be in series when engaging the rhythm circuit. I hope that answers your question.

Thanks again for your help! Your knowledge is invaluable on this Forum!
You could definitely adapt this one to do series-parallel, but as it is, the pickups won't be in series mode with the rhythm circuit engaged. It only does both pickups in rhythm mode.

Let me know if need a hand with this :)
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Shadoweclipse13 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:32 pm

Added schematics for thisisnickpaige and bigswifty to first page with all the other schematics.
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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Amon 7.L » Sat May 25, 2019 12:44 pm

I reckon that for my project this is the right place where to knock when you need someone who knows his way in the wiring dedalus.

Shadow, Is it possible with 2 3-Way ON-OFF-ON switches (6 pins) to get: Neck/Both/Bridge and a coil split for the mini hb?

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if it's not possible what would you do given this configuration?

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Re: Shadoweclipse13's Master Schematic Page!

Post by Futuron » Sun May 26, 2019 3:12 am

If I can be allowed to butt in, I think it's possible as below, assuming by "both" that you mean in parallel, not series.

Neck switch goes on, off, reverse (as per mustang usual).
Bridge switch goes hh, off, coil split.

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