Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
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Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Just put on my new staytrem bridge and a buzzstop--i know what some of you may say about the buzzstop being a tone killer but i like the a crisper sustain without the jangly overtone-mess that is often exhibited by jaguars.
However, after just stringing up for the first time with this setup I notice that the strings going to the bridge saddles are making contact with the edge of the bridge. The staytrem does not allow adjustments to individual saddles so I lowered the bridge evenly until the strings were no longer making contact--problem is that at the point where the contact stopped my bridge was so low that my strings were lying on the neck--unplayable.
Anyone have this issue? I know on gibson bridges that the strings should not touch the back ledge of the bridge--I can't say the strings touching is audible but it just doesn't feel right.
Any advice would be much appreciated!!
However, after just stringing up for the first time with this setup I notice that the strings going to the bridge saddles are making contact with the edge of the bridge. The staytrem does not allow adjustments to individual saddles so I lowered the bridge evenly until the strings were no longer making contact--problem is that at the point where the contact stopped my bridge was so low that my strings were lying on the neck--unplayable.
Anyone have this issue? I know on gibson bridges that the strings should not touch the back ledge of the bridge--I can't say the strings touching is audible but it just doesn't feel right.
Any advice would be much appreciated!!
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Get rid of the buzzstop and shim the neck? I have seen diy mutes in the form of a rubber strip with 6 slits in it and placed across the stringsbehind the bridge.
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Thanks for your reply--are those my only options? I have thought about shimming the neck...the thing about the buzzstop is it has gotten rid of a lot of the messy overtones that bothered me before...Straight6DOHC wrote:Get rid of the buzzstop and shim the neck?
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
I edited my answer during your reply. Hope that helps.
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
The messy overtones is, like, the sound of the guitar you just bought. There's any number of hard tailed guitars that don't have that, I have to wonder why you decided to get one that did.Philipp123 wrote:Thanks for your reply--are those my only options? I have thought about shimming the neck...the thing about the buzzstop is it has gotten rid of a lot of the messy overtones that bothered me before...Straight6DOHC wrote:Get rid of the buzzstop and shim the neck?
Anyway, the strings laying on the back of the bridge is not at all ideal, but there's probably no real problem with it. It's not like you are going to kill the sound of the overtones that the bridge/tremolo assembly has, you've already done that. The only issue I can see is that you'll go through strings a lot faster if you use the tremolo a lot or something.
I'd just enjoy the guitar. Even on Gibsons, it's not the end of the world if the string touches the back of the bridge.
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Staytrem and a buzzstop? Man, that's like wearing suspenders and a belt!
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Larry Mal wrote:The messy overtones is, like, the sound of the guitar you just bought. There's any number of hard tailed guitars that don't have that, I have to wonder why you decided to get one that did.Philipp123 wrote:Thanks for your reply--are those my only options? I have thought about shimming the neck...the thing about the buzzstop is it has gotten rid of a lot of the messy overtones that bothered me before...Straight6DOHC wrote:Get rid of the buzzstop and shim the neck?
Anyway, the strings laying on the back of the bridge is not at all ideal, but there's probably no real problem with it. It's not like you are going to kill the sound of the overtones that the bridge/tremolo assembly has, you've already done that. The only issue I can see is that you'll go through strings a lot faster if you use the tremolo a lot or something.
I'd just enjoy the guitar. Even on Gibsons, it's not the end of the world if the string touches the back of the bridge.
Ahahaha--yeah, I know, I know--I do love this guitar and it's sound--but I record a lot and those jangly overtones can be a problem--thing is this: if i leave overtones on recording it sounds crappy--if i eq them out it sounds lifeless--believe it or not, the buzzstop does help for this as a middle ground.
if i were only playing for my own satisfaction i would keep it stock.
i do have a little buzzing now on the high e and b as a result of the string/bridge contact...not thrilled...you seem a lot more experienced than me--would shimming the neck and losing the buzzstop be a good place to start?
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
you forgot the pocket protector ;-)Ex Lion Tamer wrote:Staytrem and a buzzstop? Man, that's like wearing suspenders and a belt!
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Get rid of the buzzstop and, when recording, glue a bit of tape to the strings behind the bridge. You can also just weave a bit of paper in the strings or, even better, foam. That should kill most of the overtones without changing the character of the guitar.
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
the foam, in theory, should work--but in my experience is does not help too much. but yeah, i am sure i hear what i hear and that's totally different from someone else...sigh...do you have a shimmed neck? i ask because i wonder if that might kill two birds with one stone: increase the strings breaking angle over bridge allowing me to lose the buzzstop & lower the action..any suggestions?Ex Lion Tamer wrote:Get rid of the buzzstop and, when recording, glue a bit of tape to the strings behind the bridge. You can also just weave a bit of paper in the strings or, even better, foam. That should kill most of the overtones without changing the character of the guitar.
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
The same thing happened to me, when I installed the first straytrem on my Jazzmaster.
You have to lessen the break-angle. I removed a shim, and voila!
Your bridge height (without the barfstop) is probably fine, but with it... the barfstop is increasing the break-angle (as it should) and causing the strings to hit the back edge of the bridge.
I wouldn't think there's anything you can do, using both - those two things aren't compatible.
OR necessary (imho)
But did you really say "jangley mess?!"
RUN!!
You have to lessen the break-angle. I removed a shim, and voila!
Your bridge height (without the barfstop) is probably fine, but with it... the barfstop is increasing the break-angle (as it should) and causing the strings to hit the back edge of the bridge.
I wouldn't think there's anything you can do, using both - those two things aren't compatible.
OR necessary (imho)
But did you really say "jangley mess?!"
RUN!!
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Also, to reduce the over-ring... try using a different density of foam. The weatherstripping you buy at the hardware store would be good. It's the same stuff they use under pickups and on the mutes.
Wedge it in between the strings and body, close to the tailpiece.
Wedge it in between the strings and body, close to the tailpiece.
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Thanks for the tips. I think when I typed "jangley mess" i was secretly referring to myself. Jesus. But seriously, I do get some harsh overtones that irritate me so I guess it's all relative with needing a buzzstop or not. Just so I understand, you had a shim and put on the staytrem and had the same problem as me? So you removed the shim and now everything plays nice with the staytrem??parry wrote:The same thing happened to me, when I installed the first straytrem on my Jazzmaster.
You have to lessen the break-angle. I removed a shim, and voila!
Your bridge height (without the barfstop) is probably fine, but with it... the barfstop is increasing the break-angle (as it should) and causing the strings to hit the back edge of the bridge.
I wouldn't think there's anything you can do, using both - those two things aren't compatible.
OR necessary (imho)
But did you really say "jangley mess?!"
RUN!!
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Re: Staytrem+Buzzstop=strings touching edge of bridge
Hello all offset lovers!
Same here: Yesterday I installed the staytrem bridge and today I realised that the low E string touches the end of the bridge on my Jaguar CIJ.
Don’t seem to be a big deal tonewise, but...Man, after spending money on a new bridge you don’t spect things like that. I would love to have the strings behind the bridge running totally free without touching any bolt.
By the way the neck is not shimmed...and I don’t believe that shimming the neck the otherway around is agood idea.
The staytrem seems a bit too tall for this CIJ jaguars... another thing I found is that second G string is almost touching the bar trem, in the plate base were the insert hole is. And, as others have said before, the low E string results more muffled and dull than with the original jaguar or mustang bridge... a lack of clarity and twang is clearly happening, which also adds drama to the story!
But, I must say that staytrem bridge will stay on my jag besides all this cons. The low E will not jump off the saddle no more, and the space between strings is perfect...the look is nice and fits perfect with the staytrem bar and collet which works wonders when playing and abusing the tremolo bar: no cracks, no noise and the bar rests where you left it. And... what the heck, the jag sounds glorious nevertheless and that’s what really matters!! So, in conclusion, although not perfect, I find the staytrem a good option, and an improvement.
Cheers
Same here: Yesterday I installed the staytrem bridge and today I realised that the low E string touches the end of the bridge on my Jaguar CIJ.
Don’t seem to be a big deal tonewise, but...Man, after spending money on a new bridge you don’t spect things like that. I would love to have the strings behind the bridge running totally free without touching any bolt.
By the way the neck is not shimmed...and I don’t believe that shimming the neck the otherway around is agood idea.
The staytrem seems a bit too tall for this CIJ jaguars... another thing I found is that second G string is almost touching the bar trem, in the plate base were the insert hole is. And, as others have said before, the low E string results more muffled and dull than with the original jaguar or mustang bridge... a lack of clarity and twang is clearly happening, which also adds drama to the story!
But, I must say that staytrem bridge will stay on my jag besides all this cons. The low E will not jump off the saddle no more, and the space between strings is perfect...the look is nice and fits perfect with the staytrem bar and collet which works wonders when playing and abusing the tremolo bar: no cracks, no noise and the bar rests where you left it. And... what the heck, the jag sounds glorious nevertheless and that’s what really matters!! So, in conclusion, although not perfect, I find the staytrem a good option, and an improvement.
Cheers