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help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by odieux fonzie » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:52 am

hi everybody !

I have a new jaguar, I gave it to my guitar tech this morning.
I want to wire it in a special way. Can you help me with it ? Is it even possible ?

My tech is more a « wood » guy than an electronician, and he was not very confortable with my ideas. :derp:
Your help would be very appreciated !
If someone could send me a wiring diagram, it would be AWESOME !

The neck pickup is a standard jaguar single coil.
The bridge is a single coil sized little 59 seymour duncan.

What I’d like to do:

ON THE RYTHM CIRCUIT side:

I want to use one « roller » pot as « spin-a-split » for the bridge humbucker. I did it on my other jaguar and it’s great.
The second wheel will not be used for anything.

The switch of the « rythm circuit » would work as a phase/out-of-phase switch when both pickups will be engaged

ON THE LEAD CIRCUIT side:


first switch : neck pickup on/off
middle switch : bridge pickup on/off
both first and second switch up: both pickup ON in parallel

both first and second switch down: both pickup ON in series

I saw it is possible here: http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=62256


I’d like the last switch of the lead circuit plate to change how works the bridge humbucker.
I know a humbucker can be wired in series with itself (as usual) but also in parallel (also with itself)
I never tried that and I’d like to give it a shot.

Finally, as there is no switch left, and I don’t use the tone knob at all, I’d like to put the the « strangle » effect to the tone knob. I like it with fuzz. No more tone, but I don’t care !
I saw it's possible here: http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=94919
The other normal knob will be the master volume.

I know it’s a lot of possible combinations. Is it possible ? My guitar tech fears that the « spin-a-plit » wiring can make the other things complicated.

Once again, thanks a lot for your help, and I hope my bad english isn’t… too bad ;)

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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by jvin248 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:30 pm

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that seems like it's getting complicated ...

This is what I'd do:

Think of the HS guitar as a three single coil model like a classic SSS Strat

1-Wire in a 5-way Strat Swich, for the usual Strat Mayhem.

2-Convert that Jag rhythm pot into an Armstrong Blender mod. Roll the wheel one way and you have the regular SSS Strat, roll it all the other way and you have an HSH guitar on that 5-way that works like normal. And this control is a blend, not hard switching. So if you get a too fizzy humbucker maximum amp gain situation you can roll back a little more single coil bite, or if the single coil is too thin you can roll into series thickness.

I do this mod on all my Strats, it's easy to use and easy to remember in a gig scenario or months later I don't have to think back what did this switch do? Second tone pot blends between SSS and HSH.

Dan Armstrong Blender Mod
http://ashbass.com/AshBassGuitar/armstr ... s800AB.jpg
Breja Toneworks wiring walkthrough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWF1L7GBYfU
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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by timtam » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:59 pm

The chances of finding any commercial tech willing to design and implement a circuit like that would be small. Unless s/he's a jag wiring guru and likes challenges. ;) And even then it wouldn't be cheap. By far the best approach if you want a weird circuit like that is to learn how the jag works and do it yourself. It's not that hard.

1. Learn how the stock jag circuit works. See the schematic / circuit diagram (easier than a wiring diagram to understand working principles) discussed recently at this link (along with the Marr schematic) ...
http://www.tdpri.com/threads/johnny-mar ... it.910573/

2. Learn how each of the mods you want work in isolation ...

Spin-a-split (eg as in the Classic Player HH Special jag)
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... A_SISD.pdf

Phase switch (eg as in the Am Pro)
https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... 7-2016.pdf

2 pickups in series (eg as in the Marr and Am Pro jags .. albeit on the 4-way switch there)
See the link you have, and TDPRI link above.

Bright / strangle switch
See the link you have, and TDPRI link above for the vintage and Marr bright / strangle wiring.

HB in parallel / series.
See diagrams at Seymour Duncan site.

3. For series and out-of-phase to work you need to first convert your one jag SC pickup from 2-wire to 3-wire by cutting the jumper between the ground wire and the claw. Then add a new claw-only ground wire. (even if the HB is already 5-wire the HB will already have lots of complex wiring in your scheme, so go with the suggested jag SC 3-wiring to support the phase and series switching).

4. Draw up the circuit diagram for all of these. Then the wiring diagram. Post it back here for feedback.

5. Buy a new set of pots and switches and control plates for the new circuit, so you can always go back to your stock, working circuit.

6. Wire it up on the new hardware.

Good luck. ;)
"I just knew I wanted to make a sound that was the complete opposite of a Les Paul, and that’s pretty much a Jaguar." Rowland S. Howard.

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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by odieux fonzie » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:24 am

Thanks to you both for your answers.
Unfortunately, I don't know anything about soldering or drawing diagrams etc...
That's why I asked for help in the first place !
I know it can be good that I learn all thos stuff in a not too far future, but it will not be tomorrow, and I need my guitar to work ;)

I really need something I can give to my guitar tech so he can do it.
If what i want to do is too complicated, i will do something more simple.

But I don't know, it could be fun, no ?!

I hope somebody can have a solution ;)

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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by SY6655321 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:00 pm

I dont know if you can do a humbucker in series or parallel and a spin a split, but heres everything else.

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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by odieux fonzie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:08 am

Thank you very much SY6655321 ! :D
It looks gorgious, but still very mysterious for me (!) as my knowledge in this matter is near 0.00000 :fp:
So on this drawing, there is...
- the series/parallel (when 2 pickups are both ON) on the "rythm side" switch ?
-the "series mod" on the "lead circuit side" ?
-and the "strangle mod" on the tone pot ?

Is that it ?

is it something you made up yourself ?

In any case, I thank you again !!

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Post by SY6655321 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:42 am

attempt # 2

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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by SY6655321 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:57 am

odieux fonzie wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:08 am
Thank you very much SY6655321 ! :D
It looks gorgious, but still very mysterious for me (!) as my knowledge in this matter is near 0.00000 :fp:
So on this drawing, there is...
- the series/parallel (when 2 pickups are both ON) on the "rythm side" switch ?
-the "series mod" on the "lead circuit side" ?
-and the "strangle mod" on the tone pot ?

Is that it ?

is it something you made up yourself ?

In any case, I thank you again !!
rhythm switch is neck pickup phase. it will only work when the neck pickup and bridge humbucker are both switched on or in series on the lead circuit.
yes to the rest.

I think I might have figured out your original idea in the second drawing. Maybe someone else here can check it. try this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=104282

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Re: help ! crazy jaguar wiring project !

Post by odieux fonzie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:15 am

I posted your wiring schematic on the other thread, here is the link:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=104282&p=1539397#p1539397

I really appreciate your help !

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