Fender standard jazzmaster

[Larry Mal]

And yet not everyone is satisfied... for instance, there's nothing of these lineups that I would want to buy, except the American Vintage, which I can't afford to buy. And I buy a lot of guitars. So, before you laud Fender too much, they aren't doing it for everyone.

Whether that's intention- like they genuinely just think there aren't a lot of people like me out there- or through omission, I don't know. But if their intention is to put a Jazzmaster in the hands of everyone who wants one, something for all, they haven't done that.

[niemand]

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[higgsblossom]

It's the same with Gibson. Look at their 2015 changes -

Maybe it's about time to switch to something else?

[niemand]

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[BulletLee]

American Vintage satisfies the voids listed and is proclaimed as the "winning" Jazzmaster design. Calculating for inflation the price of the Jazzmaster is the same (slightly cheaper) than it was in 1959. The guitar never had that many color options to begin with and is/was marketed as the high end Fender instrument. Due to this custom color requests appear frequently for those who sought after this high end instrument. The guitar is not that expensive for those looking to invest in a premium instrument that boasts an expert setup and one heck of a vintage vibe. From this point further, those not satisfied are just being cheap bastards.

[higgsblossom]

Concerning Gibson's 2015 models:
Maybe you're right. Automatic tuners can't be that bad - now all cover bands are in tune at least. They still suck, but they suck in tune.

[niemand]

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[BulletLee]

Concerning Gibson's 2015 models:
Maybe you're right. Automatic tuners can't be that bad - now all cover bands are in tune at least. They still suck, but they suck in tune.

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[BulletLee]

OK this is the last time I'm going to bash my face into the brick wall that is your argument before I leave this forum forever.

Satire and sarcasm aside, all Larry for one is saying is that it would be nice if Fender would update the Jazzmaster with some modern touches like a new bridge but retain what are essentially Jazzmaster features and release that model as an American Standard Jazzmaster. Much like there is a 1956 AV Stratocaster that is just like a real 1956 Strat, or you can buy an American Standard Stratocaster that has different and arguably more stable tuners and bridge, and a five way switch, and a different finish. See, little things. The American Standard Strat isn't that different than the 1956 Strat. It has some modest tweaks, some more economical details like a cheaper finish, and a couple pragmatic changes like a five way switch, two-point trem, different neck radius, and different truss rod access.

If I see one more illiterate jackass come into this thread and mention how many vintage correct Jazzmasters Fender already has when fucking nobody is asking for another fucking vintage correct model, I will lose my fucking shit. You dense bastards.

I guess I don't get the sarcasm, but I can't fault them for it. Companies like Fano and BilT have models that give the same sound with the modern enhancements. I think personally if the desire to have a "Jazzmaster-ish" guitar was so strong but I could not stand the bridge/tuners/finish of the American Vintage I would probably throw my money to a builder like Red Rocket Guitars and get something really cool. That is all I'm gonna add, not trying to make you hurt your face and the bricks anymore.

[rhythmjones]

No one is denying anyone's right to criticize Fender, and there's plenty of room to criticize them.

I'm just saying that it's a little over the top to stick to the "Am Std JM or bust" camp, when there are literally a baker's dozen Jazzmasters currently on the market, many of which meet almost exactly what you claim to be calling for.

Then to throw a bitch-fit and call people illiterate jackasses about it...

[niemand]

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[rhythmjones]

It would be nice.

[Arthon]

Anyway, Larry and I already have Jazzmasters with which we are happy. It would just be cool to see an American Standard Jazzmaster. That's the end. No "that's unreasonable," no "look at all the other Jazzmasters." No. No more discussion on that point. I am aware of what's in the Fender catalogue, so is Larry. It would be nice to see an American Standard Jazzmaster. It would be nice. Stop trying to talk me out of the fact that it would be nice. Because it would be. Nice.

I am with you. It would be nice to have a American Standard JM with JM pickups (probably hotter ones, but no p90 or HB) and a JM trem (modern placement or not). I would surely give it a try and probably buy it. And I have 3 Jazzmasters from all price point; modern to vintage specs. I am the kind of guy for whom the name of the stick matters.

[Larry Mal]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but comparing the price of Jazzmasters in 1959 with today is also kind of missing the point. How much automation has been done in the world of mass guitar making since then?

You would really expect that the price would have gone down. I mean, what's the point of introducing all this machinery designed to make as much product in as little a time as possible if not to sell large numbers of these guitars at a lower price point, and still be profitable?

[BulletLee]

It is not missing the point at all. The process hasn't changed much since the introduction of the Jazzmaster and the point of an American made instrument is the human element, someone is there giving it some good ole TLC. Inflation would put the guitar in at $2500, if you called Sweetwater now and requested 10% they would give it to you in a heartbeat and be happy with it. That is just buyer's common sense. It is not that expensive of an instrument. Custom Shop... now that is another beast...