Fender Toronado bridge the same dimensions/shape as the XII's?

[zhivago]

is it the same thing?

[fullerplast]

I can tell you with certainty that the toro bridge is the same dimensions as the Duo II bridge.

I seem to remember that I brought this up once before at the other place, using the Duo II bridge (or Toro) plate to make a XII bridge...and someone (I think it was mjet) said that something was different between that bridge and the XII. He had checked it out. I just seem to recall that the dimensions were wrong, or there was some other reason why it couldn't easily be done.

[zhivago]

ahhh...oh well...I just had a couple of mad thoughts about putting a guitar together using a bridge like that.

basicaly, staying in and working all the time is making me a bit crazy....I guess I wanted something to make me dream a little and take my mind off things 

[fullerplast]

That's the bridge I was going to use on my hardtail Jaguar, kind of a cross between a Duo and a Jag. I have one on hand.

[zhivago]

it must be impossinle to find a real XII bridge...

even though from what I'm reading, 80s $trat XIIs and also Venus XIIs had the same bridges on them....

there was a complete 60s XII one on ebay the other day....went for $299....

[mjet]

The XII's bridge plate is much larger than the Toronado / Musicmaster / DuoSonic. It's also a great deal more complicated (and has several more parts).

[fullerplast]

The XII's bridge plate is much larger than the Toronado / Musicmaster / DuoSonic. It's also a great deal more complicated (and has several more parts).

I thought you would jump in, thanks. As for the extra parts, yeah. I was pretty sure you once told me that the plate size itself was different.

I had a sunburst XII at one time, but never thought to compare the bridge plates with the II series student models. It stands to reason that the XII plate would be bigger, but visually they are so similar when you look at them separately.

[Orang Goreng]

Isn't it string-through-body as well?

[fullerplast]

Yes.

[zhivago]

piccies time:

XII bridge shots....

[fullerplast]

Just typing out loud.... It never ocurred to me whether the XII neck was the same width at the heel as any other Fender neck. I guess I always just assumed that it is. In fact, the Custom would look rather odd if the neck was significantly wider than a normal 6 string. That being said, I don't see why one couldn't make a XII-alike bridge out of the Toro bridge. You could even run the six primary strings through the body, and the other six through drilled holes in the tail. The strat saddle should be able to accomodate two strings each. The only thing you would lose is the individual intonation (which was the beauty of Leo's design)... but lot's of other 12 string guitars don't have it. Like as I said... this is just random musing. But without delving further into it, I don't see why it couldn't be done.

Another option would be to stagger the holes in the body and drill six more staggered in the plate. If it was done with precision on a press, I don't see why not.

[fullerplast]

Or put threaded saddles on the plate and run all 12 through the back of the bridge plate...

[zhivago]

it would be neat indeed...I'd only use it as a 6-string, to be honest..I've always loved the look of the XII, but there is no space in the music I play nowadays to the 12 string sound.

of course, if I had a real XII bridge, in the future if I wanted the 12 string sound, then I could get a neck made, plus add the other 6 strings

[mezcalhead]

I don't see why one couldn't make a XII-alike bridge out of the Toro bridge. You could even run the six primary strings through the body, and the other six through drilled holes in the tail. The strat saddle should be able to accomodate two strings each. The only thing you would lose is the individual intonation (which was the beauty of Leo's design)... but lot's of other 12 string guitars don't have it.

Heh .. I just typed out a post saying pretty much that, and then lost it. So instead of retyping it all now I just have to say .. +1.

[zhivago]

so would the Toro bridge fit into the bridge slot of an Electric XII's pickguard?