Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by Ridgeback » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:57 pm

JamesSGBrown wrote:Just out of interest, has anyone got any opinion on the Marrguars vs actual vintage Jags? I love my staytrem'd Marr so fucking much, but I've never seen a vintage Jag in the flesh, never mind played one. Thinking of saving up hard for a '64 but in the meantime I'd love to hear of comparisons (also considering another Marr in black)
I posted this comparison of my favorite 64 to the Marr in another forum a few months after getting the Marr. Unfortunately, finances forced me to sell the 64 but I'm still enjoying the Marr.

A mini JM vs 64 comparative scorecard from a purely personal taste standpoint. For entertainment purposes only. No guitars were harmed in the development of these comparisons.
Neck - A tossup. Not as different as I was expecting from the reviews. JM is just a bit chunkier near the headstock.
Appearance - Slight edge to the JM for the flash factor but extra points to the 64 for the matching headstock and yellowed Oly White.
Tone - +1 to the 64. Love those pups. The 64 is a pound lighter and a bit more resonant.
Controls - +1 to the 64. JM has the better pup selector. Big JM deduct for no rhythm circuit and two strangle switches. Rarely use the high pass strangle switch and miss the rhythm switch. Someday I may take the time to figure out how to rewire the two JM upper bout slider switches to somewhat replicate the vintage rhythm circuit. I know I'm in the minority on this one.
Hardware - Slight (temporary?) edge to the 64. Both have Mastery bridges but I'm pretty sure the stock JM bridge is an improvement over the vintage bridge. The Mastery trem is stiffer than the vintage one but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an adjustment for that. (edited to add: simple external adjustment screw for this) Mastery makes a first class product.
Other - +1 to the 64. Hard to deny the pre-CBS vintage vibe and the feel of the old neck. The faint flower power sticker tan line is kind of "late 60's time capsule" cool in a weird way.

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by thecolorwaves » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:08 am

Not that I'm saying anything revelatory, but I'll add another voice to the choir: my God what a difference the Staytrem makes to this guitar. Night and day. I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't ship it with a bridge like this.

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by blackbox » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:44 am

Zooey wrote:Man, I just had an awful thought: except for variations on the J. Mascis, signature offsets at Fender have a short lifespan. Two years for Elvis Costello, about five years for Moore/Ranaldo. And the public seems to find out a year after discontinuation has already taken place. How would I even know if time was running out to buy one new?
The JM Jag is arguably the most popular Jaguar Fender has ever produced. I don't think it's going anywhere.

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by Kwyjibo » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:44 am

thecolorwaves wrote:Not that I'm saying anything revelatory, but I'll add another voice to the choir: my God what a difference the Staytrem makes to this guitar. Night and day. I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't ship it with a bridge like this.
Just ordered a staytrem bridge & have a tortoise shell pickguard lined up. Looking forward to doing some modifications. Absolutely love the marrguar as is, but I am hoping the staytrem has the same effect on me as it has for you.

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by Singlebladepickup » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:52 am

I've only played the JM once, but I think with the JM switch I would overshoot my intended pup selection half the time. It's really easy to flick one, or even two, of the individual sliders up or down on my avri. The JM switch looks amazing, but really not easier to use and provides less options if you modded the switches for series when two sliders are down. Am I the only one that doesn't think the pup switch is superior to vintage/avri?

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by bacca51 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:21 am

pineder wrote:https://www.adorama.com/fe0116400706.ht ... flaid62905


$600 off on the black version!
Thats an amazing deal. Wish I had the funds.

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by Unicorn Warrior » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:11 pm

Dang. I only got mine $100 cheaper used and I was still getting a deal. One of the best guitars I've owned.

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by joesnewmatch » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:09 pm

I got a killer deal on a used one with a Staytrem and tort. So glad I pulled the trigger. Love it!

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by Bradley-Jazz » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:20 am

In other news, JM playing what looks to be a JM (the other one) Jazzmaster with Hans Zimmer this week.

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At first glance I thought it might be the next colour for his Jag.
All the cheeses....

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by mekhem » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:20 pm

Is he playing a MIJ Mascis?

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by wmachine » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:17 am

pineder wrote:https://www.adorama.com/fe0116400706.ht ... flaid62905
$600 off on the black version!
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I still have to go through all the posts on this thread, and that will take some time! Interesting going through the first few pages, though. There were a lot of doubters in the beginning I saw. Just goes to show you the validity of forum "opinions".

I popped for this offering on the $1200 sale. Price matched GC online ($1199.99 out the door), so I have 45 days to evaluate at home and can take it back to the local store if I decide not to keep it.
So far, I don't think that is likely. I decided to buy this as an opportunity to expand on the types of guitars I have. I bought it for what it is, not that it is a Johnny Marr signature guitar. I'm learning more about JM, but have not been a fan of that style of music. I think that lets me be even more objective about the guitar itself.

I wrote to Fender for specs. They said there were 600 of the "Limited Edition" black ones made.
The rest of the specs:

"Serial number V210787 does come up as a Johnny Marr Jaguar® Limited Edition (Black), completed 06/2016. We did 600 of them."

Model Name: Johnny Marr Jaguar® Limited Edition (Black)
Model Number: 0116400706
Series: Artist Series
Colors: (0116400706) Black,
(Nitrocellulose Lacquer Finish)
Body: Alder
Neck: Maple, Custom Shape Based on Johnny's '65 Jaguar,
(Nitrocellulose Lacquer Finish)
Fingerboard: Rosewood, 7.25” Radius (184 mm)
FRETS: 22 Vintage Style Frets
Scale Length: 24” (610 mm)
Nut: Synthetic Bone Nut, 1.650” (42 mm)
Hardware: Nickel/Chrome
Machine Heads: Fender®/Gotoh® Vintage Style Tuning Machines
Bridge: Jaguar® Bridge with Mustang® Saddles and American Vintage “Floating” Tremolo Tailpiece with a Taller Trem Arm, a Nylon Sleeve to Prevent Arm Swing and a Tremolo Lock Button
Pickguard: 3-Ply Black/White/Black
Pickups: 2 Custom Wound Bareknuckle Johnny Marr Single-Coil Jaguar Pickups (Neck & Bridge)
Pickup Switching: 4-Position Blade:
Position 1. Bridge Pickup
Position 2. Bridge and Neck Pickups (In Parallel)
Position 3. Neck Pickup
Position 4. Neck and Bridge Pickups (In Series)
Two 2-Position slide Switches:
Universal Bright Switch,
Bright Switch for Blade Switch Position 4 Only
Controls: Master Volume, Master Tone
Strings: Fender® USA Super 250R, NPS, P/N 0730250006, (.010, .013, .017, .026, .036, .046)
Case: Deluxe Black/Silver Hardshell Case with Blue Interior, P/N 0093390000
Unique Features: Johnny Marr’s Signature on Front of Headstock,
Custom Wound Pickups,
Signature on front of Headstock,
60’s Styling,
Nylon Bridge Post Inserts for Improved Stability,
Nylon Insert in Trem Arm Sleeve to Prevent Arm Swing,
"Taller" Trem Arm,
Chrome Barrel Switch Tip,
Vintage-Style Black Plastic Jazz Bass® Knobs
Source: U.S.
Accessories: Case, Strap, Cable, Polishing Cloth, Chrome Bridge Cover, Set of Flatwound Strings, a Booklet that Details the Unique Differences Between The Johnny Marr and a Vintage Jaguar. (The First 300 Booklets Will be Autographed by Johnny.
U.S. MSRP: $1,749.99
INTRODUCED: 7/2016
WRENCH SIZES: Bridge Height Adjustment Wrench, (5/64” Hex), P/N 0061446000
Now available in this limited edition color option.
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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by wmachine » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:39 am

egosheep wrote:
huggernaut wrote: Considering the UK made pickups, changed body and neck contours, the trem and bridge changes and the custom case, I'm very surprised that it's not more expensive than an AVRI.
I wondered about this too. Seems that either the AVRI is overpriced at $2499 or the JM is underpriced at $1799. Or maybe a little of both? I also think the JM is itself almost an AVRI version. It does have AVRI series serial numbers.
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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by amv » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:44 am

Marr and Mascis should team up to create a JMJMJM*.







*Johnny Mascis J. Master Jazzmarr

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Re: Johnny Marr Sig Jaguar

Post by pikmin » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:05 pm

wmachine wrote:
egosheep wrote:
huggernaut wrote: Considering the UK made pickups, changed body and neck contours, the trem and bridge changes and the custom case, I'm very surprised that it's not more expensive than an AVRI.
I wondered about this too. Seems that either the AVRI is overpriced at $2499 or the JM is underpriced at $1799. Or maybe a little of both? I also think the JM is itself almost an AVRI version. It does have AVRI series serial numbers.
It's funny cause in Belgium , it's the opposite ... The JM is around 2300 Euros and the American vintage is more in the 1800 ...

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