New Firebird Day

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New Firebird Day

Post by tribi9 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:05 pm

The Joe Bonamassa model. I've been wanting a Firebird for a while. Glad i came across this one.

I really like it. It's light, exactly 8 lbs according to the bathroom scale.

I want to add a short vibrola and a neck pickup but.. I dont have a router :fp:



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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by Larry Mal » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:57 pm

Beautiful. How do you like the tuners?
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by countertext » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:50 pm

Less parts = more tone. Looks good!

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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by tribi9 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:53 pm

Larry Mal wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:57 pm
Beautiful. How do you like the tuners?

The tuners are fine and look good. They turn smooth and seem to keep tune fine. I didn't have any experience with banjo tuners prior to these ones. I like them.
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by marqueemoon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:00 pm

Great color.

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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by gnoleb » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:15 pm

tribi9 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:05 pm
I want to add a short vibrola and a neck pickup but.. I dont have a router
I have one of these in sunburst. I put a treble bleed mod on the volume, but I think it is pretty spectacular as it is. You can get a ton of variation from the volume and tone. I'd run it through the paces awhile before you go drilling holes in it. The simplicity is a boon to me.

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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by del » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:11 am

Mercy! I'd add a short arm vibrola, too. That's a dream machine!
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by tribi9 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:55 am

The long vibrola would look good too..

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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by LVC » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:36 am

tribi9 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:05 pm
I want to add a short vibrola and a neck pickup but.. I dont have a router :fp:
You don't need a router. You could open a cavity for an extra pickup with a drill, a chisel and a Dremel (trace outline of route, drill holes to remove as much wood as possible, use chisel to remove bits of wood between holes, carefully smooth out cavity with a Dremel, first with a wood carving bit, then with sanding drums and discs). It's not very difficult and you can do a pretty decent job provided you go slowly and don't get too enthusiastic with the Dremel. You will not get as perfect a result as with a router but the pickup ring will hide small imperfections anyway.

As for the Vibrola, well, post spacing is narrower on a standard TOM/roller bridge than on a wraparound (by 10mm if I'm not mistaken). That means plugging and redrilling, which is not difficult to do; however the plugged holes would probably show on either side of the new bridge. The Vibrola unit itself is fairly easy to install, as it requires only 3 screws IIRC.
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by leokula » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:46 am

That's such a lovely guit! Been eyeing these, but in Brazil they're expensive as hell. Eventually would like to turn an Epi studio into something like this.
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by tribi9 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:30 am

LVC wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:36 am

You don't need a router. You could open a cavity for an extra pickup with a drill, a chisel and a Dremel (trace outline of route, drill holes to remove as much wood as possible, use chisel to remove bits of wood between holes, carefully smooth out cavity with a Dremel, first with a wood carving bit, then with sanding drums and discs). It's not very difficult and you can do a pretty decent job provided you go slowly and don't get too enthusiastic with the Dremel. You will not get as perfect a result as with a router but the pickup ring will hide small imperfections anyway.

As for the Vibrola, well, post spacing is narrower on a standard TOM/roller bridge than on a wraparound (by 10mm if I'm not mistaken). That means plugging and redrilling, which is not difficult to do; however the plugged holes would probably show on either side of the new bridge. The Vibrola unit itself is fairly easy to install, as it requires only 3 screws IIRC.
Yeah, no issues with tbe vibrola. I wouldn't want to do a hack job on it routing the pu with a dremel though.

I have routed before with a chisel and a drill bit. Functional but ghetto af. I usually tend to stay way from hack jobs.
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by Maggieo » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:43 am

I've lusted after these since I first saw them! Congrats!

And don't do a thing to it!!! It's perfect!
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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by MechaBulletBill » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:27 pm

curious as to what the neck is like on these JB birds?
LVC wrote:
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As for the Vibrola, well, post spacing is narrower on a standard TOM/roller bridge than on a wraparound (by 10mm if I'm not mistaken). That means plugging and redrilling, which is not difficult to do; however the plugged holes would probably show on either side of the new bridge.
why in god's good name would you ditch a wraparound (perfect, elegant, pairs wonderfully with a vibrola) for a TOM (abysmal, rattly, bad, no)?

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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by mbene085 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:32 pm

That looks great as-is.

Aren't these the models that were responsible to Epiphone reviving true alnico FB pickups, which then finally caught on at Gibson?

I may not enjoy JB's music, but this model was very important in the revival of an underrated classic pickup that has more or less only been available from aftermarket winders for decades, so credit to him for doing that.

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Re: New Firebird Day

Post by LVC » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:34 pm

MechaBulletBill wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:27 pm
curious as to what the neck is like on these JB birds?
LVC wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:36 am
As for the Vibrola, well, post spacing is narrower on a standard TOM/roller bridge than on a wraparound (by 10mm if I'm not mistaken). That means plugging and redrilling, which is not difficult to do; however the plugged holes would probably show on either side of the new bridge.
why in god's good name would you ditch a wraparound (perfect, elegant, pairs wonderfully with a vibrola) for a TOM (abysmal, rattly, bad, no)?
I hate TOMs paired with vibrato tailpieces but some people seem to tolerate them. I'd go with a rocking or roller bridge personally, but you've got a point with the wraparound!
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