Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by burpgun » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:20 am

I'm in the US and managed to run down a white model via Amazon of all places, although the actual purchase was fulfilled by some shop in Texas.

God, what a nice guitar. I'm mostly a bass player but mess around on guitar, and cotton to odd ball instruments. My XII has a nice solid weight, and even with all those strings it's not any more difficult to play than a normal guitar. The fretboard material is a little weird as there's what looks like a dark line running the length of the fretboard. It looks natural, but it's something I haven't ever seen in a rosewood board (yes, I know the board on this is pau ferro.) If there's anything that I'm unhappy about, I would say the neck pocket is not well done and could be a lot tighter. I'm keeping the guitar and hope that doesn't come back to bite me later. I hope someone makes replacement pickguards because I'd like to slap a black one on. The tort is nice and dark but it's never really my thing.

Fender does seem to be producing these in limited numbers, so while I have no plans to sell, I wonder if this is one of the rare new guitars that actually appreciates. I got my Pawnshop Bass VI for like $700 and it seems like the limited number there has led to very good resale now for that model.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by mbene085 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:54 am

I 100% think that these will end up being one of those models that appreciates in value. The only question is whether it sells well enough that they feel they can release it in a less limited-time line, like a Vintera or something. If not, I don't see there being another proper XII for a long time. Just look at what happened with the Bass VI - there hasn't been a production Fender model since the Pawn Shop one, which was totally analogous to these AR guitars.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by jfine » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:51 am

DADGAD should work fine on a 12-string.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by BoringPostcards » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:34 pm

I tried one recently and I was floored by it. If it was blue, I'd already have it. They only had an aged white one. It was beautiful, but I want LPB.

Sounded rich and majestic through a Vox AC 15 they had in the shop. I tried it through a tweed champ and Princeton as well. It sounded best through the Vox.

The one I tried was flawless. No issues at all.
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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by YALCaster » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:51 pm

I originally wasn’t a fan of the reissue, but I finally found one and played it today. I loved it, I almost bought it!

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by mbene085 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:57 pm

So now that people have these in their hands, did the pickups turn out to be humbucking, or is each pair wound with the same polarity and direction like the vintage ones?

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by Ceylon » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:16 pm

Well, I can't find them on Thomann anymore, so they just might have reached the end of their run.
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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by YALCaster » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:52 am

Does anyone have any pics of it under the pickguard?

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by Jubaea » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:42 am

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Does anyone have any pics of it under the pickguard?
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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by baseggio » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am

mbene085 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:57 pm
So now that people have these in their hands, did the pickups turn out to be humbucking, or is each pair wound with the same polarity and direction like the vintage ones?
With mine, I get hum in positions 1 & 3. The middle position has no hum.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by burpgun » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:23 am

baseggio wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am
mbene085 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:57 pm
So now that people have these in their hands, did the pickups turn out to be humbucking, or is each pair wound with the same polarity and direction like the vintage ones?
With mine, I get hum in positions 1 & 3. The middle position has no hum.
Same for me. I think the guitar sounds great so I wouldn't change anything, but I do wonder why these pickups are the way there are if they aren't noise-canceling. I'd always assumed these type of guitar pickups were like the Precision bass pickup, which cancels hum, but I believe is wired differently than most humbuckers. Some serial or parallel thing I never quite wrapped my head around.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by HNB » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:37 am

Guitar center has two in Tacoma if you are in the area and wanna try or buy.
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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by mbene085 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:52 pm

burpgun wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:23 am
baseggio wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am
mbene085 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:57 pm
So now that people have these in their hands, did the pickups turn out to be humbucking, or is each pair wound with the same polarity and direction like the vintage ones?
With mine, I get hum in positions 1 & 3. The middle position has no hum.
Same for me. I think the guitar sounds great so I wouldn't change anything, but I do wonder why these pickups are the way there are if they aren't noise-canceling. I'd always assumed these type of guitar pickups were like the Precision bass pickup, which cancels hum, but I believe is wired differently than most humbuckers. Some serial or parallel thing I never quite wrapped my head around.
Vintage XIIs had both halves of the pickup wound with the same polarity and direction, but the neck vs bridge pair reversed relative to each other. Each half is in series with the other half, but the neck and bridge pairs as a unit are parallel with each other when combined.

It seems silly to replicate this on a reissue that isn't striving for accuracy (the shape is even modified).

When I had Curtis Novak wind me a pair, I requested that each half be RW/RP relative to each other - and every switch position is hum-free as a result.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by burpgun » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:32 pm

mbene085 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:52 pm
burpgun wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:23 am
baseggio wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am


With mine, I get hum in positions 1 & 3. The middle position has no hum.
Same for me. I think the guitar sounds great so I wouldn't change anything, but I do wonder why these pickups are the way there are if they aren't noise-canceling. I'd always assumed these type of guitar pickups were like the Precision bass pickup, which cancels hum, but I believe is wired differently than most humbuckers. Some serial or parallel thing I never quite wrapped my head around.
Vintage XIIs had both halves of the pickup wound with the same polarity and direction, but the neck vs bridge pair reversed relative to each other. Each half is in series with the other half, but the neck and bridge pairs as a unit are parallel with each other when combined.

It seems silly to replicate this on a reissue that isn't striving for accuracy (the shape is even modified).

When I had Curtis Novak wind me a pair, I requested that each half be RW/RP relative to each other - and every switch position is hum-free as a result.
So I take from this the split pickups on the new XII are the way they are purely for aesthetics and to retain some of the old vibe? Again I like the new pick ups just fine, but I do want to understand what’s up.

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Re: Fender Alternate Reality Electric XII 12-String

Post by jakeisjake » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:26 am

I played a LPB XII in guitar center in Clearwater...it was a fine instrument. Played great and sounded sweet. Smooth all around.
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