I had a Stingray for years, and loved it. Every time I went to record with it, though, I became aware of the noise of the preamp.
The fact is, there's no preamp put into any bass that is of the same quality as something that you would find in a studio, so for recording purposes I found the preamp in my Stingray to add nothing except noise.
Some bassists of course record with active basses, but personally I found it to add nothing that I couldn't add later on down the chain better.
So I traded it, the end replacement of it was a G&L SB-1.
And I'm not saying that I'd never own an active bass again, I bought a G&L L-2000 at some point (had to return it). Also, I know that for a lot of people here, they are looking for a bass to perform with, and active electronics shine in that role. I just thought I'd mention my experiences with it.
Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
Passive. Always passive. For two reasons. 1. I just prefer them tonally. I’ve never cared for active electronics. 2. I. Fucking. Hate. Batteries.
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
Passive with super hot pickups, splits the difference pretty well.
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
I prefer the versatility of active electronics, particularly for live use.
As to Larry's mention of Stingrays and preamp noise, that's absolutely true. That's why I personally prefer active electronics that can cut rather than just boost - because selective cutting at the instrument to shape tone/string attack etc is what I find to be most useful, and leave the boosting of frequencies to the amp and/or post-production.
But I disagree that the preamps put into basses are always worse than studio-quality. I have used Alembic electronics that absolutely rival any studio EQ for SNR, and some recent onboard preamps by companies like ACG and Noll are also superb quality.
Granted, ACG, Alembic and Noll preamps aren't what you'll encounter on your average active bass sitting on a rack in a music store, but there's some truly great stuff being made these days.
As to Larry's mention of Stingrays and preamp noise, that's absolutely true. That's why I personally prefer active electronics that can cut rather than just boost - because selective cutting at the instrument to shape tone/string attack etc is what I find to be most useful, and leave the boosting of frequencies to the amp and/or post-production.
But I disagree that the preamps put into basses are always worse than studio-quality. I have used Alembic electronics that absolutely rival any studio EQ for SNR, and some recent onboard preamps by companies like ACG and Noll are also superb quality.
Granted, ACG, Alembic and Noll preamps aren't what you'll encounter on your average active bass sitting on a rack in a music store, but there's some truly great stuff being made these days.
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
Point taken- I haven't used an Alembic, and haven't even heard of Noll, so change my point to being a more general point to which there are certainly exceptions.
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
Yeah, I'm a bit of a bass electronics geek and have spent a lot of time over at the Talkbass forums getting into this stuff.
Noll is a German company that burst onto the scene relatively recently with some preamps that are superlatively designed but not super widely adopted. A lot of the high end luthiers in Europe use them and I don't think I've ever heard a bad word about them from anyone who actually laid hands on their stuff.
I've played Alembics but the only stuff of theirs I've owned have been second hand sets of pickups and preamps (a set of J bass pickups with their most basic preamp will set you back about $1200, and goes way up from there for their flagship models). It's ridiculously high quality and their filter preamps are super usefully designed but the price of entry has kept me to their most basic (used) options.
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Re: Active or passive bass , what is your choice ?
I’ll add another reason why active pickups can be an issue. Upthread I mentioned I have an American Jaguar bass. To the extent they’re known they’ve got a reputation for having a lot going on with switches and such, and part of that goes to its active section.
I was interested in putting a set of EMG GZR pickups in this thing because they’re good and a noiseless J pickup would make that pup actually useful. I opened up the bass and my god the amount of wires. One of them looks like some sort of computer connector from 1992. There’s even what looks to be some sort of printed circuit attached to the volume pot. I love this bass but the active aspect, which I don’t use, adds unnecessary complications, at least for me.
I was interested in putting a set of EMG GZR pickups in this thing because they’re good and a noiseless J pickup would make that pup actually useful. I opened up the bass and my god the amount of wires. One of them looks like some sort of computer connector from 1992. There’s even what looks to be some sort of printed circuit attached to the volume pot. I love this bass but the active aspect, which I don’t use, adds unnecessary complications, at least for me.