I agree! Probably not many people I guess. It's not hard to get 15% off of Fender.gnoleb wrote:I dunno who is buying new at $2350, heh.
I agree with this as well. I don't consider this G&L to be a JM anymore either. It's a JM shaped guitar.gnoleb wrote:When you start going to something like that Suhr, I don't even consider that a JM anymore. That's an HH Strat with an offset body.
Yea, they ain't Jazzmasters. The way I look at it is, I love G&L hardware and pickups, but I don't want a tele or strat shape. This solves this for me. I do like the SC-2/fallout and want one of either of those as well actually.Johnny Alien wrote:I agree! Probably not many people I guess. It's not hard to get 15% off of Fender.gnoleb wrote:I dunno who is buying new at $2350, heh.
I agree with this as well. I don't consider this G&L to be a JM anymore either. It's a JM shaped guitar.gnoleb wrote:When you start going to something like that Suhr, I don't even consider that a JM anymore. That's an HH Strat with an offset body.
I guess we'd have to imagine that at least guitar makers don't want the Jazzmaster tremolo, anyway. I'm not sure if people buying Jazzmaster type guitars are avoiding them like the plague or what, but people that go to the Jazzmaster shape sure do.Johnny Alien wrote: Do people that want modern Jazzmasters want the trem and bridge? They seem to be avoided like the plague by people that want modern options. They are "problematic" I guess. Stop tail bridges are a common modern Jazzmaster change. I am thinking of guitars like the Fender Special, Fano, Suhr, etc. The first thing that guitar makers when to get rid of in a modern Jazzmaster is that trem. It sounds like you like a tradtional JM but with non-traditional pickups.
I wonder what Leo Fender would have done. Would he redesign the JM style vibrato or would he feel that his DFV was the pinnacle of his vibrato designs? Hard to know. I'd like to think he'd be up for the challenge of improving the JM style system.Larry Mal wrote: Why reinvent a whole new tremolo unit?
Of course, that's what they should have done.
Nailed it. If they wanted to improve on a design, which is (let's be honest) G&L's whole angle, they should have come up with something that nailed the vibe (without a floating strat trem) and was better for stability. But they didn't do that.Larry Mal wrote:Then again, the only people that make a Jazzmaster tremolo worth a shit are Fender, and they've got their markings all over it, I think they still have a patent for the thing. So G&L could, what, buy one of those super shitty import ones from Allparts? Or buy AVRI Fender models? Or spring for Mastery tremolo units?
Or do what they did... recycle a pre-existing part into a new and untested design for them. Why reinvent a whole new tremolo unit?
Of course, that's what they should have done.
Johnny Alien wrote:I see 12 on Reverb and two of them are $1450. $1700 is at the high end. Of the 12 only two are listed at that price. I am not sure what the higher prices is about. Where are there vintage series Fender Jazzmasters for $1700?
It's hard for me to make a comment on the ASAT Specials. My SC-2 has the same pickups but they are a bit hotter. I would say they are hifi but not sterile which is how I feel about those Lollars. I wouldn't even put those in any scale of snarl even at the bottom. But there are lots of people that dig that modern/sterile P-90 thing. I never liked it.
Do people that want modern Jazzmasters want the trem and bridge? They seem to be avoided like the plague by people that want modern options. They are "problematic" I guess. Stop tail bridges are a common modern Jazzmaster change. I am thinking of guitars like the Fender Special, Fano, Suhr, etc. The first thing that guitar makers when to get rid of in a modern Jazzmaster is that trem. It sounds like you like a tradtional JM but with non-traditional pickups.
I was only letting people know that for about same money they can have a real Fender AV65 Jazzmaster.Johnny Alien wrote:Those prices are likely pre-owned which is an unfair comparison. I don't think the blowout prices were down to $1200. In fact most 62 AVRI Jazzmaster are around $1200 on the used market. The fair comparison is new list price vs new list price. And in that comparison the G&L is the same price as the USA Standard. If you want to compare used prices we will have to wait but G&L has historically awful resale values making them great deals on the used market. My guess is that it will be $800 roughly vs $1300 and up for an AVRI 65.
The $1500.00 one, even though it's probably a fine Guitar, IMO is too costly & competes with USA Fender Pro JM's so for that reason I wouldn't be interested in one. I'd buy the USA Fender.pikmin wrote:They are planning on releasing a tribute version in 2018 ...
If it's in the 400 $ range, it could be nice and a good deal...
I played one today and it was absolutely f*cking brilliant. It is everything the American Professional wants to be. It is what you would expect from G&L, a modern "continuation" on the old Fender theme. Leo would be proud. It was crisp and airy, yet full bodied. The string definition was out of this world. My only gripe is that it was a bit on the heavy side, I would estimate 8.5 pounds. I prefer a lighter guitar, but that is a fairly common weight for a JM. I don't see why any JM fan wouldn't want this. At the right weight, I would even take it over an AV65. It's that good.Larsongs wrote:The $1500.00 one, even though it's probably a fine Guitar, IMO is too costly & competes with USA Fender Pro JM's so for that reason I wouldn't be interested in one. I'd buy the USA Fender.pikmin wrote:They are planning on releasing a tribute version in 2018 ...
If it's in the 400 $ range, it could be nice and a good deal...
But, It will be interesting to see how the ones in the $400.00 range compare to VMJM's, JMJM's etc.
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