Remulak wrote: d-f wrote:
BoringPostcards wrote:I hear you. The pitches of the strings behind the bridge are different. However I would not describe them as "atonal". On traditionally-placed trems the pitch is about a perfect fourth, and on the modern-placed trems it's a perfect fifth, far from atonal. The modern placed behind-the-bridge strings do have a shorter sustain though.
Yeah but Bull in the Heather doesn't sound right!
I keep coming back to the JMJM as I love the neck radius and massive frets more than a more 'vintage' model.
Only half serious: I haven't seen anyone get within half a semi tone of Bull in the heather It may be my ear that is off but I think with his increased neck angle and a already tall tonepro ToM that is isn't really close to a 4th from his (G G D D D# D#) tuning on that song.
I am sure someone has figured out the right mix of strings and neck angle, strings and bridge but as I was doing setups and have the Peterson tuner out
American Jaguar Professional distance from bridge to front of trem 4 21/32"
Jagurillo (blacktop like) 3 25/32"
Custom shop 1958 Jazzmaster distance from bridge to front of trem - 4 23/32"
E2 - B#4/C4 (6.5 semitones)
A2 - D5 (4 semitones)
D3 - G5 (5 semitones)
G3 - C6/C#6 (5.75 semitones)
B3 - D#6 (3 semitones)
E4 - G#6/A6 (4.75 semitones)
Custom shop 1962 Jazzmaster distance from bridge to front of trem 4 22/32"
E2 - C5 (8 semitones)
A2 - D5/D#5 (5.75 semitones)
D3 - G5 (5 semitones)
G3 - B5/C6 (4.5 semitones)
B3 = D#6/E6 (4.25 semitones)
E4 G#6 (4 semitones)
Both of the Jazzmasters have 11s on them, but while it is in the ball park of a perfect 4th (5 semitones) most humans hear something is out of tune with just +-12 cents. As there are 100 cents per semitone most of the strings on both are way off from that. Add in the error for equal temperament and it is probably only individual guitars that will work for bull in a the heather.
Seeing as the D is pretty close to a perfect 4th I am pretty sure that Thurston chose the note due to the wolf tones he was seeing.
Anyway I have no dog in this fight I just had the tools out and wanted to see if all the strings behind the bridge were a 4th, but at least now I know why the D string is always the one that gives me wolf tones.