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1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:00 am
by Soiouz
...so my friend sends me this Marketplace link yesterday morning for a super cheap 1961 Jazzmaster mutt.. I call up the seller, we agree for a meeting, and an hour later, this modified, but otherwise very cool 1961 Jazzmaster is sitting on the passenger side of my 1959 Pontiac on the way back home. A good start to a summer Wednesday!

So, once I am back home, I open it up and here's the rundown:

It's all there and all parts are original except the neck pickup, brass shielding plate in the rythm circuit cavity, and an extra useless jack!
All the rest is there: pots are dated 21st week 1961, neck plate is 1961, single line Kluson tuning keys work great, slab board neck feels fantastic and is super straight with original frets. Wiring was redone almost entirely and it is f*cked up: for example, what should be the tone pot in the rythm circuit is now a blender pot for the neck pickup, etc... I will rewire the whole thing as an original when replacing the neck pickup.

Obviously, the modification that most stands out is the "groovy" carvings the original owner made to it sometime in the 1970's. What started out as an original sunburst guitar became that "creation" in blue/purple burst. Body has two large carvings into the top and the guy had the excellent idea of carving out "Fender" in an otherwise perfect neck.

I know, I know, it looks kinda cool. I agree. BUT, I am pretty set on restoring it. The neck, that's a given: it will be back as original. As for the body, we'll see, but it's really annoying to play as is: the shape of the carving edge where the arm rests digs into the arm, and it's uncomfortable. Plus, it's a 1961 with a great slab board neck. It deserves a restoration, I think.

I am heading to my luthier this afternoon and we'll see what he says.

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Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:47 am
by GilmourD
Subbed for shenanigans!

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:24 am
by PorkyPrimeCut
I know the carve is pretty mesmerising but I can't stop looking at your car upholstery!!!

This restoration will be fascinating! :w00t:

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:17 am
by LVC
Soiouz wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:00 am
Obviously, the modification that most stands out is the "groovy" carvings the original owner made to it sometime in the 1970's.
[...]
BUT, I am pretty set on restoring it.
Rout* those carvings deeper, slap a top on, and enjoy your thinline :freako:



* Or, for historical accuracy, dig in with a blunt chisel

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:42 am
by MayTheFuzzBeWithYou
LVC wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:17 am
Soiouz wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:00 am
Obviously, the modification that most stands out is the "groovy" carvings the original owner made to it sometime in the 1970's.
[...]
BUT, I am pretty set on restoring it.
Rout* those carvings deeper, slap a top on, and enjoy your thinline :freako:
Another vote for Thinline magic!

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:49 am
by GilmourD
MayTheFuzzBeWithYou wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:42 am
LVC wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:17 am
Soiouz wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:00 am
Obviously, the modification that most stands out is the "groovy" carvings the original owner made to it sometime in the 1970's.
[...]
BUT, I am pretty set on restoring it.
Rout* those carvings deeper, slap a top on, and enjoy your thinline :freako:
Another vote for Thinline magic!
I can dig it!

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:38 am
by Soiouz
Well, everybody has their take on it, but this is definitely going to be restored to original.

...turns out the best route to go (pun intended) is to retop that body entirely (and no, it will not be thinline).

I will keep the board posted on the progress.

Oh, and there's one less missing part: the rythm circuit brass shielding plate was there after all, just painted over!

...and we found this:

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Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:05 pm
by JSett
A retop, that should work well actually. What are your plans with the voids then? Interested to know of what's considered a suitable way to fill those gaps

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:12 pm
by Soiouz
JSett wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:05 pm
A retop, that should work well actually. What are your plans with the voids then? Interested to know of what's considered a suitable way to fill those gaps
There won’t be any voids: body will be planed down flat where it is grooved, so the surface is flat and nice. new alder top layered over that afterwards, rerouting the new top as original, contoured, then repaint.

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:23 pm
by antisymmetric
What a find! (Although I'd probably be quite happy putting almost any guitar into the passenger seat of a '59 Pontiac) 8)

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:06 am
by Pacafeliz
Let's see what's under the neck pickup cover! I usually found old Gibson ones when such old mods were done. Good luck, this thing is amazing!

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:06 am
by PorkyPrimeCut
Soiouz wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:38 am
...turns out the best route to go (pun intended) is to retop that body entirely (and no, it will not be thinline)...
Cool! How deep is the carve?

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:01 am
by Highnumbers
I absolutely know the draw to restoring back to factory specs (like my "Jazzo-Sonic" doubleneck JM restoration).

But that carved body is way cool, just gotta say.

Looking forward to watching the progress on this build! Are you going to document all the repair work?

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:46 am
by Soiouz
Pacafeliz wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:06 am
Let's see what's under the neck pickup cover! I usually found old Gibson ones when such old mods were done. Good luck, this thing is amazing!
It’s a Super 70 Ibanez pickup… :D

Re: 1961 Jazzmaster - Groovy!

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:56 am
by Pacafeliz
Soiouz wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:46 am
Pacafeliz wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:06 am
Let's see what's under the neck pickup cover! I usually found old Gibson ones when such old mods were done. Good luck, this thing is amazing!
It’s a Super 70 Ibanez pickup… :D
Oh that's still very cool! :w00t: