Questions about a '64 Jag

sunburster · Post by **sunburster** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:19 pm

I'm a bit interested in this olympic white one for sale at CME:

https://reverb.com/item/10771793-fender ... -1964-s726

I think I've seen it somewhere before (maybe here?) but can't remember. Has anyone here owned or played this one before? Does it look to be as advertised? Is it weird to have 64 pot dates and a 64 serial number but an August 65 neck?

Ursa Minor · Post by **Ursa Minor** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:16 pm

Saw that one. I like it. I'm wondering a bit about the span of time between the date codes but it's not out of the ordinary.
Old Mustang bridge. (noted in listing)
Interesting to see a name ("Rose") on masking tape in the neck pocket. Never encountered this before. I've only ever seen that on original tweed amps.

At a glance it all looks right to me from pics. But I didn't take a microscope to it, so YMMV.

Pros:
Good weight for a Jag.
Matched pickups!
Beautiful color!

sunburster · Post by **sunburster** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:48 pm

I'm a bit worried the neck was swapped and the headstock repainted to match at a later date. The decal looks too clean to me, and the Fender part of it lacks that faded gold (approaching silver) look I would expect with such a faded OLW finish.

Ursa Minor · Post by **Ursa Minor** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:33 am

I just noticed a "W" on the body. Plus a few screwdriver indentations. Sometimes marks like this indicate a factory refin but I've often seen a series of numbers.

Embenny · Post by **Embenny** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:11 am

Gorgeous but I have the same questions.

Also, is that really the market price for a '64 white Jag? Seems a little dear.

Axolotl · Post by **Axolotl** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:52 am

Lovely Jag! Why is it listed as a 64 when the neck has a AUG 65 stamp? Assuming the neck is original, that Jag didn't leave the factory before 1965, regardless of the pots and neckplate. Not sure what to make out of this one but it's sure gorgeous

Embenny · Post by **Embenny** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:27 am

Axolotl wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:52 am
Lovely Jag! Why is it listed as a 64 when the neck has a AUG 65 stamp? Assuming the neck is original, that Jag didn't leave the factory before 1965, regardless of the pots and neckplate. Not sure what to make out of this one but it's sure gorgeous

Whoops, I totally missed that. It's absolutely false advertising to call it a '64 or pre-CBS in that case. Many '65s had '64 parts in them. They were still '65s. People will say anything they can to get pre-CBS money.

But...isn't it weird to have an August '65 neck with no binding? I thought that started prior to that point...

Ursa Minor · Post by **Ursa Minor** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:41 am

Agree it should totally be called a '65. Fall '65 you start seeing some binding. I've definitely seen both around this time.

Axolotl · Post by **Axolotl** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:25 am

On closer inspection, the back of the neck looks really clean, without any visible wear. Back of the headstock is not checked in the least. This doesn't match the body and front of the headstock. Neck overspray/refin maybe?

EDIT: And another pic shows the back of the neck at its base (where the screws go in) without any of the usual marks, fresh and clean looking nitro and I see a tiny light blue chip of paint at the upper corner of this pic. Hhmmmm...

Embenny · Post by **Embenny** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:44 am

Axolotl wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:25 am
On closer inspection, the back of the neck looks really clean, without any visible wear. Back of the headstock is not checked in the least. This doesn't match the body and front of the headstock. Neck overspray/refin maybe?

EDIT: And another pic shows the back of the neck at its base (where the screws go in) without any of the usual marks, fresh and clean looking nitro and I see a tiny light blue chip of paint at the upper corner of this pic. Hhmmmm...

Refin neck/partscaster?

torchindy · Post by **torchindy** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:04 pm

Looks like a back of the neck refin to me. Wear like that on back of the body and you'd for sure start seeing wear thru the lacquer on the sides of the neck at least, if not more in certain areas. Let alone at least a few dings and chips. Somebody hit the guitar on stuff that many times and somehow missed the back of the neck completely?

Headstock could be legit tho, I've seen a lot of old fenders that still have the gold part looking like new without any of the weird fading or green tint, and I think if they were going to repaint the headstock and then Relic it they would have done the relic up the whole neck.

Post by **sookwinder** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:39 pm

A couple of points to consider

the pat nos. on the headstock decal seem to line up with the (starting at) early 1965 period
see http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/vie ... 29&t=75080
The reproduction decals (genuine and non genuine are typically the 1962/3 decal)

There does not appear to be an aluminium shield under the guard, usually held on with the translucent tape

jeff m. · Post by **jeff m.** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:45 pm

Yep..the neck pocket area & shim look age appropriate, as does the 'butt'( w/stamp) of the neck itself..the back of the neck from the heel on upwards is just looks way too clean to fit with the rest.

The old piece of masking tape looks like a 'Mell' to me ( a very common sig )..what it's doing in the neck pocket is anyone's guess ?

It's certainly a gorgeous looking Jag, though.

Best,
J.

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