Woods used for 50´s, 60´s, 70´s strats, tele´s and jazzmasters

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Woods used for 50´s, 60´s, 70´s strats, tele´s and jazzmasters

Post by Guitarman555 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:47 am

Hi, I am wondering about quality and type of wood fender and after cbs used in 50´s, 60´s, 70´s. Does anybody knows details? Neck, body, how many part of wood, I am just interested and never studied this stuff.

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Post by Guitarman555 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:27 pm

Any ideas, experiences? Thanks!

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Post by Rob » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:23 am

My understanding was that US-made Jazzmasters are almost universally alder bodies with maple necks and rosewood fretboards (with some rare offerings sans rosewood, or with ash bodies). Though I think starting around 1975, they started using ash for all the sunburst and non-opaque finishes. Aside from alder and ash, I think the Japanese reissues in the 90s were primarily basswood bodies.

As for how many parts, CBS-era Jazzmasters transitioned away from the 1-piece and 2-piece bodies. By around 1968, pretty much every instrument was 3-piece or 4-piece.

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Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:31 am

Ash was also used in the 50s, particularly for blonde finishes.
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Post by jeff m. » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:32 am

Guitarman555,

Mate, there is such a lot of ground to cover in such a question, & so many books ( remember them :) ) that cover everything & probably more that you wish to know. One I'd really recommend is "FENDER..The Sound Heard 'round the World" by Richard Smith. Goes back to the early days of Fender up to about the early '90s.

Great read..came out in the mid '90s, I think..full of great photos of prototypes, one-offs etc.

Good place to start, & best of all, you can probably pick it up pretty cheap these days secondhand.

Just a thought.

Best,
Jeff.

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Post by Guitarman555 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:36 am

Rob wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:23 am
My understanding was that US-made Jazzmasters are almost universally alder bodies with maple necks and rosewood fretboards (with some rare offerings sans rosewood, or with ash bodies). Though I think starting around 1975, they started using ash for all the sunburst and non-opaque finishes. Aside from alder and ash, I think the Japanese reissues in the 90s were primarily basswood bodies.

As for how many parts, CBS-era Jazzmasters transitioned away from the 1-piece and 2-piece bodies. By around 1968, pretty much every instrument was 3-piece or 4-piece.
Many thanks Rob! So 1959 will be probably one piece alder or ash? And 1963-64 will be 1 or two piece alder body?

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Post by Guitarman555 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:39 am

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
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Ash was also used in the 50s, particularly for blonde finishes.
Do in 1958/1959 jazzmasters it was ash or alder? Sunburst perhaps more probable alder?

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Post by Guitarman555 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 am

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
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Ash was also used in the 50s, particularly for blonde finishes.
Well, in 50´s there were only sunburst jazzmasters, so this should be all alder?

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Post by Axolotl » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 am

^^^ A few 59 suburst Jazzmasters are made of ash (my refin in trans red certainly looks like it). There were also blonde Jazzmasters in 59, those were most likely ash also.

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^^^ A few 59 suburst Jazzmasters are made of ash (my refin in trans red certainly looks like it). There were also blonde Jazzmasters in 59, those were most likely ash also.
It is an interesting information! How I recognize wheather 1959 body is ash or alder? By weight? Is alder hevier, so let´t say 9 pounds? I think alder should be around 8 pounds and something, don´t you think?

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Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:29 am

Guitarman555 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:14 am
Axolotl wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 am
^^^ A few 59 suburst Jazzmasters are made of ash (my refin in trans red certainly looks like it). There were also blonde Jazzmasters in 59, those were most likely ash also.
It is an interesting information! How I recognize wheather 1959 body is ash or alder?
I think, with blonde Jazzmasters, ash was used as the figuring in the wood was more prominent & showed up through the finish a little more. This is a '59...

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Post by Guitarman555 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:37 am

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:29 am
Guitarman555 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:14 am
Axolotl wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 am
^^^ A few 59 suburst Jazzmasters are made of ash (my refin in trans red certainly looks like it). There were also blonde Jazzmasters in 59, those were most likely ash also.
It is an interesting information! How I recognize wheather 1959 body is ash or alder?
I think, with blonde Jazzmasters, ash was used as the figuring in the wood was more prominent & showed up through the finish a little more. This is a '59...

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Wow this is beautiful! What is weight of your jazzy??

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Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:41 am

Gorgeous, isn't it?

It's not mine unfortunately, (although I do have a '59 Jazzmaster).
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Post by Guitarman555 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:51 am

PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
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Gorgeous, isn't it?

It's not mine unfortunately, (although I do have a '59 Jazzmaster).
Yeaah, looks so cool, it is really obvious how the wood appears under the finish. So this is the legendary ash jazzmaster! :) I am wondering weather ash jazzmasters are heavier than the alder ones..it would be interesting to know.

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Post by PorkyPrimeCut » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:54 am

Guitarman555 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:51 am
PorkyPrimeCut wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:41 am
Gorgeous, isn't it?

It's not mine unfortunately, (although I do have a '59 Jazzmaster).
Yeaah, looks so cool, it is really obvious how the wood appears under the finish. So this is the legendary ash jazzmaster! :) I am wondering weather ash jazzmasters are heavier than the alder ones..it would be interesting to know.
It's arguably the most famous Jazzmaster on the forum.
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